We don’t get this network but I hope to find a way to see this program. It airs Thursday, June 20 at 10pm eastern time. Below is a preview.
For almost 40 years, Exodus International claimed to offer a “cure” for homosexuality. Alan Chambers, the leader of Exodus, decided last year to stop endorsing the controversial practice of gay-reparative therapy. And now, he has a new message: an apology.
In a special episode, Lisa Ling is joined by a group of survivors of the condemned and damaging practice of “reparative therapy” as they confront Alan Chambers. Chambers recently asked Ling to help orchestrate an opportunity in which he could formally apologize to those who felt deceived and defrauded by Exodus’ practices and to announce that the organization will cease to be an “ex gay” organization.
Tune in Thursday, June 20th at 10/9c for a special presentation of this powerful report.
To watch clips and read comments from the original “Pray the Gay Away?” episodes, click here.
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I love the double standard at work. Straight kids can develop crushes when they’re prepubescent, but since being gay has only to do with sex, gay kids must not exist because if they’re prepubescent, then they’re not sexual beings, and as such, can’t develop crushes on people. Their assertions must therefor be questioned and scrutinized, as if there’s something “wrong” with them.
What a crock.
I love the double standard at work. Straight kids can develop crushes when they’re prepubescent, but since being gay has only to do with sex, gay kids must not exist because if they’re prepubescent, then they’re not sexual beings, and as such, can’t develop crushes on people. Their assertions must therefor be questioned and scrutinized, as if there’s something “wrong” with them.
What a crock.
I knew I liked boys from the time I was six. I was not “effeminate” and nobody had to “expect me to have sex with men”. I developed crushes and eventually fell in love — just I imagine straight men do. I didn’t know what “sexual orientation” or “gender identity” was, nor did I care.
All I knew is what I felt, who I was attracted to and who I fell in love with. And it was males exclusively. Why do we imagine that that the awakening of romantic and sexual feelings are any different for gay boys or straight ones? The only difference was that they could celebrate it and I had to hide it.
I knew I liked boys from the time I was six. I was not “effeminate” and nobody had to “expect me to have sex with men”. I developed crushes and eventually fell in love — just I imagine straight men do. I didn’t know what “sexual orientation” or “gender identity” was, nor did I care.
All I knew is what I felt, who I was attracted to and who I fell in love with. And it was males exclusively. Why do we imagine that that the awakening of romantic and sexual feelings are any different for gay boys or straight ones? The only difference was that they could celebrate it and I had to hide it.
If it becomes usual to call any effeminate boy gay, we will in the end have a situation where someone declares: Yes, I’m gay; but when you expect me to have sex with men that’s quite biased and bigoted – I want to have sex with women exclusively.
The Marcel Neergard case (see Zoe Brain above) needs more debate. It seems that Marcel N. with nine years was bullied for being “too” girlish, and that he (or his parents?) solved the problem by calling him “gay”. Which may be or may not be an elegant strategy to solve the problem.
But it’s quite unclear, if sexual orientation had anything to do with it. What means “sexual orientation” in a nine-year-old? We wouldn’t expect definite post-puberty genital-sexual wishes, but had he deep inclinations for physical contact with men? Or was the word “gay” simply misused to define gender (the well known “third gender” speculation of early 20th centuy) instead of sexual attraction?
As the relation between gender (masculinity/femininity) and sexual orientation is not yet understood, such a misuse of terms, if it becomes usual, will help to make things even more confuse.
“The Marcel Neergard case (see Zoe Brain above) needs more debate. ”
What needs to be debated?
” It seems that Marcel N. with nine years was bullied for being “too” girlish, and that he (or his parents?) solved the problem by calling him “gay”.”
How have you determined it was his parents who decided Marcel was gay and not Marcel himself?
“Or was the word “gay” simply misused to define gender (…) instead of sexual attraction?”
Gays doesn’t simply refer to sexual attraction, but affectional attraction as well.
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“What needs to be debated?”
Above all, how much detailed information we can get about him. Neergard seems to be rather articulate and open and with luck it might be possible do get somewhat more out of him than a standard story about bullying. There’s a huge deficit in case studies about pre-puberty “gay” boys.
“Above all, how much detailed information we can get about him.”
why is that “debatable” ?
I fail to see your point in these posts.
If it becomes usual to call any effeminate boy gay, we will in the end have a situation where someone declares: Yes, I’m gay; but when you expect me to have sex with men that’s quite biased and bigoted – I want to have sex with women exclusively.
The Marcel Neergard case (see Zoe Brain above) needs more debate. It seems that Marcel N. with nine years was bullied for being “too” girlish, and that he (or his parents?) solved the problem by calling him “gay”. Which may be or may not be an elegant strategy to solve the problem.
But it’s quite unclear, if sexual orientation had anything to do with it. What means “sexual orientation” in a nine-year-old? We wouldn’t expect definite post-puberty genital-sexual wishes, but had he deep inclinations for physical contact with men? Or was the word “gay” simply misused to define gender (the well known “third gender” speculation of early 20th centuy) instead of sexual attraction?
As the relation between gender (masculinity/femininity) and sexual orientation is not yet understood, such a misuse of terms, if it becomes usual, will help to make things even more confuse.
“The Marcel Neergard case (see Zoe Brain above) needs more debate. ”
What needs to be debated?
” It seems that Marcel N. with nine years was bullied for being “too” girlish, and that he (or his parents?) solved the problem by calling him “gay”.”
How have you determined it was his parents who decided Marcel was gay and not Marcel himself?
“Or was the word “gay” simply misused to define gender (…) instead of sexual attraction?”
Gays doesn’t simply refer to sexual attraction, but affectional attraction as well.
ken
“What needs to be debated?”
Above all, how much detailed information we can get about him. Neergard seems to be rather articulate and open and with luck it might be possible do get somewhat more out of him than a standard story about bullying. There’s a huge deficit in case studies about pre-puberty “gay” boys.
“Above all, how much detailed information we can get about him.”
why is that “debatable” ?
I fail to see your point in these posts.
Just posted by Lisa Ling on my Facebook group and reposted here with her permission: “Hi everyone! Getting closer and closer. Just wanted to let you know that the expanded version of the exchange will be online when the show airs. I’m almost more excited about that because people will get to experience the rawness and the courageousness that you all exhibited practically in full. Few things have made be prouder than this episode and what will be available online. Hope you’re all well. Oh, I’m also being interviewed by The Advocate and After Ellen next week.”
Just posted by Lisa Ling on my Facebook group and reposted here with her permission: “Hi everyone! Getting closer and closer. Just wanted to let you know that the expanded version of the exchange will be online when the show airs. I’m almost more excited about that because people will get to experience the rawness and the courageousness that you all exhibited practically in full. Few things have made be prouder than this episode and what will be available online. Hope you’re all well. Oh, I’m also being interviewed by The Advocate and After Ellen next week.”
NARTH continues to do a lot of damage.
See http://www.truthwinsout.org/news/2013/06/35624/
NARTH continues to do a lot of damage.
See http://www.truthwinsout.org/news/2013/06/35624/
I’m so very much looking forward to this! ! ! “Don’t tweak it, don’t try to improve it, just shut it down.” I’d have to agree. I don’t see how “tweaking” it or “trying to improve it” would benefit anyone, especially since genuine orientation change results are almost nil (if there actually are any genuine cases, and that’s quite a big “if”).
“Ex-gay” ministry — quite the misnomer — has gone the way of the dinosaur. NARTH, in my opinion, is a joke. I’m sorry, but that’s how I feel and what I think about NARTH — one sad, inappropriate, misinformed joke. The time has come for a bold new approach to the issue of homosexuality and Christianity.
I’m so very much looking forward to this! ! ! “Don’t tweak it, don’t try to improve it, just shut it down.” I’d have to agree. I don’t see how “tweaking” it or “trying to improve it” would benefit anyone, especially since genuine orientation change results are almost nil (if there actually are any genuine cases, and that’s quite a big “if”).
“Ex-gay” ministry — quite the misnomer — has gone the way of the dinosaur. NARTH, in my opinion, is a joke. I’m sorry, but that’s how I feel and what I think about NARTH — one sad, inappropriate, misinformed joke. The time has come for a bold new approach to the issue of homosexuality and Christianity.
As far as I know, this is the first time Alan Chambers has issued a formal apology on behalf of Exodus for the harm done by Exodus over the years — and the first time Survivors have had the opportunity to tell him face-to-face just how damaging “ex-gay” programs really are. It was a very powerful encounter for all involved.
A facebook friend of mine, Jerry, said he was being interviewed for that. I’m excited for him. I hope he will post a copy of it to our facebook group, Ex Gay = Still Gay. Better yet, I’ll shoot him a copy of your post Warren.
As far as I know, this is the first time Alan Chambers has issued a formal apology on behalf of Exodus for the harm done by Exodus over the years — and the first time Survivors have had the opportunity to tell him face-to-face just how damaging “ex-gay” programs really are. It was a very powerful encounter for all involved.
A facebook friend of mine, Jerry, said he was being interviewed for that. I’m excited for him. I hope he will post a copy of it to our facebook group, Ex Gay = Still Gay. Better yet, I’ll shoot him a copy of your post Warren.
I don’t quite understand.
Do those people simply feel “deceived” and “defrauded”? Or do they feel that they are “survivors” of a perilous adventure. (And couldn’t that be a reason for pride instead of a reason for grudge?)
I suppose that Mr. Chambers has to act rather diffidently if he’s the object of such mixed feelings.
I don’t quite understand.
Do those people simply feel “deceived” and “defrauded”? Or do they feel that they are “survivors” of a perilous adventure. (And couldn’t that be a reason for pride instead of a reason for grudge?)
I suppose that Mr. Chambers has to act rather diffidently if he’s the object of such mixed feelings.