On Alan Colmes Show tonight, Jerry Mungadze said he would take Michael Bailey’s offer to submit patients for testing in Bailey’s lab.
Mungadze struck a defiant tone when challenged on his data and said he would allow Bailey to examine his brain work. Mungadze asks patients to color a map of their brain and then Mungadze interprets the colors. He claims to be able to tell if someone is gay by these maps.
We’ll be watching doctor.
On the show, Mungadze said homosexual attraction stems from distant same-sex parent relations, overprotective opposite parent relationships and/or sexual abuse.
I’ll post the audio as soon as it is available. The segment of interest is in the third hour of the program.
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I’d be very surprised if Dr. Mungadze’s “testing” didn’t turn out to be a case of
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clever_Hans
@RichardW I think we would throw the test off if we started using colored markers. Best to stay with crayons. Also the instructions should tell us what size box of crayons we are able to use. If we are allowed to use that box of 64 or 120 crayons, watch out. There are some colors in there that I LOVE. I am always drawn to the metallic colors. <3
The test to be consistent, should require that we are all using the same set of colored crayons. Crayola brand of course is the most available.
I hope I have sparked Dr. Throckmoron to take on a Fun Summer Project. There is very little work on his part, just receive the drawings in the mail and put a respondent ID on the drawing and the respondent ID sealed envelope with our information about ourselves.
I’ll even make my husband color one if Warren agrees to the project. I say, let’s all join in. If this guy can tell my sexual orientation by analyzing my coloring, let’s all go for it. Warren all you have to do is scribd a two page doc. The first page has the instructions, use crayons, enclose a separate sealed envelope with your sexual orientation, sexual identity and so on, and the address of where we mail it to, the second page has the brain drawing on it. Just Scribd a doc and provide a link. This will be FUN! We all need some summer fun, right?
We could if anything produced might merit entry for Turner Prize!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turner_Prize
How naughty of the Turner lot to be ageist. “Give those over-50s ‘Crayola opportunities’,” I say!
Obviously, sticking to the right brand of crayon is crucial – I do understand that.
This crackpottery is very confusing.
Does this guy still maintain that he can rewire brains or that he can tell if someone is straight or gay depending upon what? How they color in their brain on a piece of paper?
I am trying to imagine the hypothesis and ensuing methodology used to “develop” this technique.
@ SGM
I’ll let you borrow our Sunday School’s felt-tip pens, as long as you promise to put the tops back on.
I’ll even make my husband color one if Warren agrees to the project. I say, let’s all join in. If this guy can tell my sexual orientation by analyzing my coloring, let’s all go for it.
Silly, a pro-gay “straight grandmother” internet crusader should test out about the same as Ian McKellen!
I’d be very surprised if Dr. Mungadze’s “testing” didn’t turn out to be a case of
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clever_Hans
I accept Dr. Throckmorton’s criticism of projective tests. Notwithstanding: Even if the single test doesn’t help much, changes of test results over a time may be more interesting. There must be a reason why Mungadze’s test persons changed their colouring. (As always in theoretical sciences, the real challenge is not to reconstruct Mungadze’s testing historically, but to repeat it.)
Mungadze’s coloring activity has about as much basis in science as a tarot reading. It seems more like an exercise in complying with what the therapist wants you to do, based on how the therapist interprets what you’ve already done.
I accept Dr. Throckmorton’s criticism of projective tests. Notwithstanding: Even if the single test doesn’t help much, changes of test results over a time may be more interesting. There must be a reason why Mungadze’s test persons changed their colouring. (As always in theoretical sciences, the real challenge is not to reconstruct Mungadze’s testing historically, but to repeat it.)
Mungadze’s coloring activity has about as much basis in science as a tarot reading. It seems more like an exercise in complying with what the therapist wants you to do, based on how the therapist interprets what you’ve already done.
We could if anything produced might merit entry for Turner Prize!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turner_Prize
How naughty of the Turner lot to be ageist. “Give those over-50s ‘Crayola opportunities’,” I say!
Obviously, sticking to the right brand of crayon is crucial – I do understand that.
@RichardW I think we would throw the test off if we started using colored markers. Best to stay with crayons. Also the instructions should tell us what size box of crayons we are able to use. If we are allowed to use that box of 64 or 120 crayons, watch out. There are some colors in there that I LOVE. I am always drawn to the metallic colors. <3
The test to be consistent, should require that we are all using the same set of colored crayons. Crayola brand of course is the most available.
I hope I have sparked Dr. Throckmoron to take on a Fun Summer Project. There is very little work on his part, just receive the drawings in the mail and put a respondent ID on the drawing and the respondent ID sealed envelope with our information about ourselves.
@ SGM
I’ll let you borrow our Sunday School’s felt-tip pens, as long as you promise to put the tops back on.
I’ll even make my husband color one if Warren agrees to the project. I say, let’s all join in. If this guy can tell my sexual orientation by analyzing my coloring, let’s all go for it.
Silly, a pro-gay “straight grandmother” internet crusader should test out about the same as Ian McKellen!
I’ll even make my husband color one if Warren agrees to the project. I say, let’s all join in. If this guy can tell my sexual orientation by analyzing my coloring, let’s all go for it. Warren all you have to do is scribd a two page doc. The first page has the instructions, use crayons, enclose a separate sealed envelope with your sexual orientation, sexual identity and so on, and the address of where we mail it to, the second page has the brain drawing on it. Just Scribd a doc and provide a link. This will be FUN! We all need some summer fun, right?
Send me a coloring book. I like to color. I’ll be a subject volunteer. I’ll even stay in the lines when I color.
I think Warren should make a downloadable .pdf of the brain drawing and invite everybody to download it, color it send one in to him. In an enclosed sealed envelope we can write down our sex, sexual identity and sexual orientation. I know people on gay websites would love to participate. Getting a diverse group of straight people is no problem since we are by far the majority of the population. I’m sure Wayne would add it to his website. I’ll tweet the h*ll out of this if Warren does this.
Oh my this would be so much fun.
Send me a coloring book. I like to color. I’ll be a subject volunteer. I’ll even stay in the lines when I color.
I think Warren should make a downloadable .pdf of the brain drawing and invite everybody to download it, color it send one in to him. In an enclosed sealed envelope we can write down our sex, sexual identity and sexual orientation. I know people on gay websites would love to participate. Getting a diverse group of straight people is no problem since we are by far the majority of the population. I’m sure Wayne would add it to his website. I’ll tweet the h*ll out of this if Warren does this.
Oh my this would be so much fun.
See previous posts for proposed experimental design.
I invite critique.
The important thing is that no-one be aware of which drawings / MRI scans belong to which cohort until the data is in.
“Mungadze said homosexual attraction stems from distant same-sex parent relations, overprotective opposite parent relationships and/or sexual abuse.”
Freudian therapy circa 1950 wants its (FALSE) ideas back…
“Second verse, same as the first!”
See previous posts for proposed experimental design.
I invite critique.
The important thing is that no-one be aware of which drawings / MRI scans belong to which cohort until the data is in.
“Mungadze said homosexual attraction stems from distant same-sex parent relations, overprotective opposite parent relationships and/or sexual abuse.”
Freudian therapy circa 1950 wants its (FALSE) ideas back…
“Second verse, same as the first!”
This crackpottery is very confusing.
Does this guy still maintain that he can rewire brains or that he can tell if someone is straight or gay depending upon what? How they color in their brain on a piece of paper?
I am trying to imagine the hypothesis and ensuing methodology used to “develop” this technique.
Let’s get ready to rumbllllllllllllleeeeeee! Whahoo! It’s on now! I’m so eager I can hardly stand it!
William, You beat me to the punch, somewhat…I was going to say, Let the Games begin!!
Great minds . . . 😉
Let’s get ready to rumbllllllllllllleeeeeee! Whahoo! It’s on now! I’m so eager I can hardly stand it!
William, You beat me to the punch, somewhat…I was going to say, Let the Games begin!!
Great minds . . . 😉