According to committee chair Stephen Tashobya, his committee report on the Anti-Homosexuality Bill is almost complete. From Uganda’s Daily Monitor:
Parliament yesterday passed a resolution in recognition of Speaker Rebecca Kadaga’s stand on homosexuality. The House also urged the Legal and Parliamentary Affairs committee to immediately table its report on the Bill for general debate.
The committee’s chairperson Steven Tashobya yesterday said their report is almost done and will be brought to Parliament before it breaks off for Christmas recess. MPs across the political divide in a plenary session chaired by Ms Kadaga denounced homosexuality and said the country’s moral values are threatened by cultural inventions from the western world.
If the committee report this time is like the last one, there are very few significant changes in the anti-gay bill with the death penalty remaining in the bill. See this post for more on the committee report on the bill.
See below for video of Speaker Kadaga discussing the anti-gay bill.
What I said was: “Based on what happened in May 2011 …”
Remember what happened: after it had been ‘trailed’ that the ‘quick death’ (i.e. hanging) provision was to be dropped, the Report suggested keeping it, but changing the wording in what I suspect was a pathetic attempt to fool others.
If ‘Maazi’ has new info (and Warren and I both know that he has), he can share it with us, so that we can see if anything has genuinely been changed this time round.
But one worrying aspect is this: Kadaga, who is unmarried, does seem very keen on the Bahati Bill (it was she who ‘chaired’ the initial session, in what seemed to be a rather ‘stimulated’ manner, back in 2009). Hmmm.
What you have read are fairy tales written by pro-gay Western authors about mythical pre-colonial gay-loving Africans. We have never tolerated gayism. Yes, the deviant behaviour was probably there hidden away in pre-colonial times, but it was never tolerated.
This is just standard propaganda we have come to expect from Euro-American Gay Lobby and their dummy African agents. Christianity frowns at polygamy, but it is widely practiced throughout Christianized parts of Africa. Gayism has always been reviled and the missionaries merely reinforced African revulsion towards gayism. Polygamy survived opprobrium from missionaries because it is an integral part of African culture. Gayism has never being part of our culture and we shall never accept it.
Gayism is simply a sexual deviation nothing more. Gay sex practitioners are not a distinct ethnic or racial group that need protection or respect. These are people who have a compulsive self-destructive habit just like kleptomaniacs, bestialists and necrophiliacs and they need help. There would never be a time when African people will look back and compare gayism with slavery. This will never happen because we never compare apples and biscuits neither do we compare sexual deviance to racism or ethnic-based oppression
Actually we are handling it right. Gayism is the most efficient way of spreading HIV/AIDS and introducing all manners of strange antibiotic resistant diseases. That is why many Western nations ban gay sex practitioners from contributing their risky blood to Hospital Blood Banks. The Ugandan strategy is to suppress and contain gayism properly among its isolated diehard practitioners and prevent any attempt to increase the number of sodomy practitioners through gay propaganda.
Wow !!! Maazi is the title of a nobleman in Nigeria? If your statement is factual then that is wonderful !! But I am sure that no African nobleman anywhere in the continent will support gayism
On the subject of MPs in the Ninth Parliament: http://www.observer.ug/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=17043:editorial-mps-car-bonanza-exposes-hypocrisy&catid=35:editorial&Itemid=61
Now it must be said that some of the MPs decided not to spend all $40,000 (enough to rent an apartment in Central Kampala for nearly seven years) on their new car, but spend some of the money on facilities for their constituencies. But not all … by no means all.
One more point: anyone thinking that a Romney victory next week is likely to change the USA’s attitude to the Bill, with, among other things, its vicious attack on freedom of conscience and speech is surely going to be disappointed. One should not forget that the US Senate’s condemnation of the Bill was unanimous: http://www.keennewsservice.com/2010/04/14/senate-passes-resolution-condemning-ugandan-anti-gay-bill/
Well, you tried, Frank!
‘Maazi’, ‘Maazi’, show us your car,
show us your car,
show us your car;
‘Maazi’, ‘Maazi’, show us your car,
a yard above the pothole.
(Sorry about the defective scansion.)
It may be a bitter pill for Europeans and Americans to swallow but everything Maazi says is true. What’s more, it’s how 99.9999% of Africa feels.
There seems to be an ongoing mass campaign by the west to make Africa acultural. Homosexuality (and it’s acceptance) is, simply put, the most unAfrican that could ever be demanded of Africa.
Listen, our leaders are so very greedy, and yet not even the threat of cutting off aid could ever make them legalise homosexuality. There’s no question of religion involved. And even if there was, love your neighbour (as prescribed by religion) is not synonymous with legalise their wrongs.
Uganda currently has homosexuals, obviously, but no one is hunting them down unless they go out of their way to make raucous. Just like they did when they claimed years back that a gay man that had been killed by thugs (just like so many other unfortunate heterosexuals) was killed because he was gay. Which was never the case. But gay rights activists eagerly clutched at the opportunity to milk it for their cause, without a moments thought to the victim’s poor family, who most certainly did not as for or want their home and their son’s funeral to be so disgraced. I’m certain they considered the activists’ intrusion a blight on their old age and the respect the community had towards them.
Please let Africa be. If your governments cannot help out the poor of Africa without asking that we lose our cultural values in return, then let them keep your taxes, to help you in your efforts to get homosexuality legalised in other parts of your western world, and to help you invent a cure for Aids, which afflicts you too and happens not to have it’s origins in Africa.
Had your forefathers not chosen colonialism as fun activity, none of us would be thus inconvenienced. Africa has never asked for anyone to come knocking at her doors, invade her, and start inculcating her people into foreign cultures. In the Africa of old, everyone looked out for their neighbour, orphans were taken care of by the entire village, there was no need to go begging, no need for aid.
Enter the white man, and Africa is so westernised people have grown the ‘everyone for himself and God for us all’ mentality’. People have developed the western world’s nuclear family mindset and everyone now looks out for themselves and their own. Orphans suffer, the homeless suffer, all thanks to this aculturalisation of Africa. Pretty soon there will probably be nursing homes where people dump their parents and grandparents as is the norm in the west.
All the industrialisation and carelessness in the west is what has brought on global warming, and now just like the name says, it’s affecting the whole globe. And still, Europeans and Americans come to steal more of our oil, diamonds, gold, with the help of our corrupt leaders. Well, this time there’s an end to it, your money won’t make them sell their values. Why, because they simply cannot fathom the idea that their child should come one day and declare I’m gay. In Africa, it’s unnatural. In your world homosexuality is natural, more power to you.
Gay activists visit schools and start enticing unassuming children with money under the guise of human rights advocacy. Why the need to recruit, then? For strength in numbers? How many heterosexuals are spending money to recruit children into heterosexuality? That question does not even make sense because it’s counterpart is simply mind-boggling. Why would one get ‘NGO’ funds from Europe or America, and take them to Africa to use them to recruit school children into homosexuality? There are people going hungry and homeless in Europe and America too, that money could be better used to help them. Take a stroll along your streets, look at those ‘bums’ on your subways. Are you saying they are less in need than Africans? it does’t even snow here, a night out wouldn’t give anyone frostbite. Charity should begin at home, after all. There are issues closer to your homes you could concern yourselves with. Do so.
Let’s see the west go and try to convince muslim Asia to legalise homosexuality. Or is that Africa is deemed weaker and hence the easier target?
Believe it or not, your governments don’t come to Africa simply out of charity. They want stuff in return. Usually we ‘let’ them have it. The only reason your leaders demand homosexuality of Africa is so you’ll think them grand and vote them into office. Nothing else.
Let Africa be, see if it’ll remain in the dumps forever.
It may be a bitter pill for Europeans and Americans to swallow but everything Maazi says is true. What’s more, it’s how 99.9999% of Africa feels.
There seems to be an ongoing mass campaign by the west to make Africa acultural. Homosexuality (and it’s acceptance) is, simply put, the most unAfrican that could ever be demanded of Africa.
Listen, our leaders are so very greedy, and yet not even the threat of cutting off aid could ever make them legalise homosexuality. There’s no question of religion involved. And even if there was, love your neighbour (as prescribed by religion) is not synonymous with legalise their wrongs.
Uganda currently has homosexuals, obviously, but no one is hunting them down unless they go out of their way to make raucous. Just like they did when they claimed years back that a gay man that had been killed by thugs (just like so many other unfortunate heterosexuals) was killed because he was gay. Which was never the case. But gay rights activists eagerly clutched at the opportunity to milk it for their cause, without a moments thought to the victim’s poor family, who most certainly did not as for or want their home and their son’s funeral to be so disgraced. I’m certain they considered the activists’ intrusion a blight on their old age and the respect the community had towards them.
Please let Africa be. If your governments cannot help out the poor of Africa without asking that we lose our cultural values in return, then let them keep your taxes, to help you in your efforts to get homosexuality legalised in other parts of your western world, and to help you invent a cure for Aids, which afflicts you too and happens not to have it’s origins in Africa.
Had your forefathers not chosen colonialism as fun activity, none of us would be thus inconvenienced. Africa has never asked for anyone to come knocking at her doors, invade her, and start inculcating her people into foreign cultures. In the Africa of old, everyone looked out for their neighbour, orphans were taken care of by the entire village, there was no need to go begging, no need for aid.
Enter the white man, and Africa is so westernised people have grown the ‘everyone for himself and God for us all’ mentality’. People have developed the western world’s nuclear family mindset and everyone now looks out for themselves and their own. Orphans suffer, the homeless suffer, all thanks to this aculturalisation of Africa. Pretty soon there will probably be nursing homes where people dump their parents and grandparents as is the norm in the west.
All the industrialisation and carelessness in the west is what has brought on global warming, and now just like the name says, it’s affecting the whole globe. And still, Europeans and Americans come to steal more of our oil, diamonds, gold, with the help of our corrupt leaders. Well, this time there’s an end to it, your money won’t make them sell their values. Why, because they simply cannot fathom the idea that their child should come one day and declare I’m gay. In Africa, it’s unnatural. In your world homosexuality is natural, more power to you.
Gay activists visit schools and start enticing unassuming children with money under the guise of human rights advocacy. Why the need to recruit, then? For strength in numbers? How many heterosexuals are spending money to recruit children into heterosexuality? That question does not even make sense because it’s counterpart is simply mind-boggling. Why would one get ‘NGO’ funds from Europe or America, and take them to Africa to use them to recruit school children into homosexuality? There are people going hungry and homeless in Europe and America too, that money could be better used to help them. Take a stroll along your streets, look at those ‘bums’ on your subways. Are you saying they are less in need than Africans? it does’t even snow here, a night out wouldn’t give anyone frostbite. Charity should begin at home, after all. There are issues closer to your homes you could concern yourselves with. Do so.
Let’s see the west go and try to convince muslim Asia to legalise homosexuality. Or is that Africa is deemed weaker and hence the easier target?
Believe it or not, your governments don’t come to Africa simply out of charity. They want stuff in return. Usually we ‘let’ them have it. The only reason your leaders demand homosexuality of Africa is so you’ll think them grand and vote them into office. Nothing else.
Let Africa be, see if it’ll remain in the dumps forever.
Well, you tried, Frank!
‘Maazi’, ‘Maazi’, show us your car,
show us your car,
show us your car;
‘Maazi’, ‘Maazi’, show us your car,
a yard above the pothole.
(Sorry about the defective scansion.)
What you have read are fairy tales written by pro-gay Western authors about mythical pre-colonial gay-loving Africans. We have never tolerated gayism. Yes, the deviant behaviour was probably there hidden away in pre-colonial times, but it was never tolerated.
This is just standard propaganda we have come to expect from Euro-American Gay Lobby and their dummy African agents. Christianity frowns at polygamy, but it is widely practiced throughout Christianized parts of Africa. Gayism has always been reviled and the missionaries merely reinforced African revulsion towards gayism. Polygamy survived opprobrium from missionaries because it is an integral part of African culture. Gayism has never being part of our culture and we shall never accept it.
Gayism is simply a sexual deviation nothing more. Gay sex practitioners are not a distinct ethnic or racial group that need protection or respect. These are people who have a compulsive self-destructive habit just like kleptomaniacs, bestialists and necrophiliacs and they need help. There would never be a time when African people will look back and compare gayism with slavery. This will never happen because we never compare apples and biscuits neither do we compare sexual deviance to racism or ethnic-based oppression
Actually we are handling it right. Gayism is the most efficient way of spreading HIV/AIDS and introducing all manners of strange antibiotic resistant diseases. That is why many Western nations ban gay sex practitioners from contributing their risky blood to Hospital Blood Banks. The Ugandan strategy is to suppress and contain gayism properly among its isolated diehard practitioners and prevent any attempt to increase the number of sodomy practitioners through gay propaganda.
Wow !!! Maazi is the title of a nobleman in Nigeria? If your statement is factual then that is wonderful !! But I am sure that no African nobleman anywhere in the continent will support gayism
Huff huff puff puff!
Now where’s your bill, ‘Maazi’? (You can’t blame us for not believing that it is really ever-so-benign if you don’t tell us the details!)
That’s great news !!! Though, I feel that the funding was cut as a cost-savings exercise by UK and the cash-strapped Ireland rather than any altruistic concern for corruption. (After all, the corruption has been ongoing for decades, but the UK and Irish governments were happily pumping funds to the office of the Ugandan Prime Minister for the purposes of influence-peddling. Suddenly the funds have been stopped amidst the global credit crunch !!!)
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Many of these NGOs that claim to help poor people also promote gayism. These NGOs should be wise enough to pull out voluntarily before they are kicked out when the new legislation is finally put in place
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No Ugandan–rich or poor—will miss NGOs that promote gayism even if they clamouflage themselves as charity organizations
Huff huff puff puff!
Now where’s your bill, ‘Maazi’? (You can’t blame us for not believing that it is really ever-so-benign if you don’t tell us the details!)
That’s great news !!! Though, I feel that the funding was cut as a cost-savings exercise by UK and the cash-strapped Ireland rather than any altruistic concern for corruption. (After all, the corruption has been ongoing for decades, but the UK and Irish governments were happily pumping funds to the office of the Ugandan Prime Minister for the purposes of influence-peddling. Suddenly the funds have been stopped amidst the global credit crunch !!!)
.
Many of these NGOs that claim to help poor people also promote gayism. These NGOs should be wise enough to pull out voluntarily before they are kicked out when the new legislation is finally put in place
.
No Ugandan–rich or poor—will miss NGOs that promote gayism even if they clamouflage themselves as charity organizations
Another development in UG: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-20155281
Is the re-emergence of the Bahati Bill ‘part of a pattern’?
Anything to say on this, ‘Maazi NCO’? And the Bahati Bill a la ‘Maazi’? Are we going to get a ‘sneak preview’? Or would that be embarrassing for you?
An interesting commentary: http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/josh-d-scheinert/ugandan-gay-rights_b_2053118.html
The supreme irony is that Kadaga (and ‘Maazi NCO’ – though he has wisely omitted to mention colonialism in his comment above) is playing the ‘anti-colonial card’ whilst seemingly wanting to promote the kinds of methods associated with colonialism. Let is not forget that the current ‘anti-gay’ laws in Uganda are essentially the work of the British!
Just on ‘Maazi’s’ comment: it is interesting that he makes the point that support for Bahati’s proposed repression enjoys cross-party support. This is probably true – it was the oppositionist Ogwal that unsuccessfully petitioned the Pan African Parliament to embrace Bahati’s approach. But other ‘pet projects’ of Bahati and his allies include measures designed to ‘neuter’ opposition to the NRM … the Public Order Management Bill (POMB) 2011 [or 2009, depending on who one talks to!] (which ‘Maazi NCO’, and maybe Ms. Ogwal herself, do not like at all) being perhaps the prime example: http://www.acme-ug.org/news/item/196-uganda
Both the Bahati Bill and the POMB have the same fundamental aim: to silence what most of us here in the West regard as legitimate dissent. Both are very much in the ‘colonialist’ mode.
Another development in UG: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-20155281
Is the re-emergence of the Bahati Bill ‘part of a pattern’?
Anything to say on this, ‘Maazi NCO’? And the Bahati Bill a la ‘Maazi’? Are we going to get a ‘sneak preview’? Or would that be embarrassing for you?
An interesting commentary: http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/josh-d-scheinert/ugandan-gay-rights_b_2053118.html
The supreme irony is that Kadaga (and ‘Maazi NCO’ – though he has wisely omitted to mention colonialism in his comment above) is playing the ‘anti-colonial card’ whilst seemingly wanting to promote the kinds of methods associated with colonialism. Let is not forget that the current ‘anti-gay’ laws in Uganda are essentially the work of the British!
Just on ‘Maazi’s’ comment: it is interesting that he makes the point that support for Bahati’s proposed repression enjoys cross-party support. This is probably true – it was the oppositionist Ogwal that unsuccessfully petitioned the Pan African Parliament to embrace Bahati’s approach. But other ‘pet projects’ of Bahati and his allies include measures designed to ‘neuter’ opposition to the NRM … the Public Order Management Bill (POMB) 2011 [or 2009, depending on who one talks to!] (which ‘Maazi NCO’, and maybe Ms. Ogwal herself, do not like at all) being perhaps the prime example: http://www.acme-ug.org/news/item/196-uganda
Both the Bahati Bill and the POMB have the same fundamental aim: to silence what most of us here in the West regard as legitimate dissent. Both are very much in the ‘colonialist’ mode.
One more point: anyone thinking that a Romney victory next week is likely to change the USA’s attitude to the Bill, with, among other things, its vicious attack on freedom of conscience and speech is surely going to be disappointed. One should not forget that the US Senate’s condemnation of the Bill was unanimous: http://www.keennewsservice.com/2010/04/14/senate-passes-resolution-condemning-ugandan-anti-gay-bill/
On the subject of MPs in the Ninth Parliament: http://www.observer.ug/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=17043:editorial-mps-car-bonanza-exposes-hypocrisy&catid=35:editorial&Itemid=61
Now it must be said that some of the MPs decided not to spend all $40,000 (enough to rent an apartment in Central Kampala for nearly seven years) on their new car, but spend some of the money on facilities for their constituencies. But not all … by no means all.
What I said was: “Based on what happened in May 2011 …”
Remember what happened: after it had been ‘trailed’ that the ‘quick death’ (i.e. hanging) provision was to be dropped, the Report suggested keeping it, but changing the wording in what I suspect was a pathetic attempt to fool others.
If ‘Maazi’ has new info (and Warren and I both know that he has), he can share it with us, so that we can see if anything has genuinely been changed this time round.
But one worrying aspect is this: Kadaga, who is unmarried, does seem very keen on the Bahati Bill (it was she who ‘chaired’ the initial session, in what seemed to be a rather ‘stimulated’ manner, back in 2009). Hmmm.
Maazi – Could you please supply a copy of the revised bill? Then we could examine it as you suggest.
My candid opinion is that you first examine the revised bill before making any comments on it. Nobody will be killed for gayism, but there will be penalties for committing the abominable and inhuman sex crime. You must understand that there are several MPs across party lines who are pushing for this bill to become law every single week of their lives. The push shall not end until the revised bill becomes law in Uganda. The Euro-American Gay Lobby and the gayism-obssessed regime of Barack Obama cannot do much. The best the Obama regime can do is get Museveni’s cabinet ministers to un-shelve and re-shelve their dusty copies of the bill
Based on what happened in May 2011, I think we can expect devious ‘weasel words’ designed to make things look less murderous than they are actually intended to be.
Maazi – Could you please supply a copy of the revised bill? Then we could examine it as you suggest.
My candid opinion is that you first examine the revised bill before making any comments on it. Nobody will be killed for gayism, but there will be penalties for committing the abominable and inhuman sex crime. You must understand that there are several MPs across party lines who are pushing for this bill to become law every single week of their lives. The push shall not end until the revised bill becomes law in Uganda. The Euro-American Gay Lobby and the gayism-obssessed regime of Barack Obama cannot do much. The best the Obama regime can do is get Museveni’s cabinet ministers to un-shelve and re-shelve their dusty copies of the bill
Based on what happened in May 2011, I think we can expect devious ‘weasel words’ designed to make things look less murderous than they are actually intended to be.