If you have been reading here for very long, you should be able to find the problems with Barton’s narratives here about Jefferson and his extractions from the Gospels. It is almost painful to listen to the distortions and falsehoods in this clip:
Jefferson gave his extraction to missionaries to give to the Indians?
Really, which missionaries? Where did those missionaries take Jefferson’s work? To what tribes? Where is your proof of that?
When Glenn Beck says, “unbelievable” – that may be the only true thing said in this clip.
In this clip, at 6:56, Barton referred to a Scotch preacher who preached a sermon which called for the simple teachings of Jesus to be given to the Indians. Barton said this sermon prompted Jefferson to created his first extraction in 1804. In Barton’s book, the sermon is identified as by Rev. William Bennet, titled “The Excellence of Christian Morality: A Sermon Preached before the Society in Scotland for Propagating Christian Knowledge, at their Anniversary meeting, June 6, 1799.
Here is a link to the Google eBook of that sermon. Readers, be peer reviewers for Mr. Barton. Read Bennet’s sermon and see if you can find any reference to Indians at all. Or any reference to doing an abridgment of the Gospels to give to the Indians. Please let me know what you find.
It is coming. Soon. Getting Jefferson Right.
Warren,
If you or Michael Coulter ever go on the talk-show circuit to promote your book, I’d like to recommend you tell the commentators to also invite Barton to speak on the same show, for a debate about the points in both books. I doubt he will (to my knowledge Barton has never appeared anywhere that there would be someone who actual knows about the founding fathers, or the constitution, present to counter his claims). And it would do a lot to expose Barton if every time you or Coulter spoke you could say: “We invited Barton to speak here as well, but he couldn’t make it.”
Lynn David – Jefferson did receive this sermon from a friend but told the friend in his reply about it that he agreed Jesus’ morals were super, but that he disagreed with the sermon’s criticism of the classical moralists. In any case, Jefferson declined to get the pamphlet published and even recommended Unitarian Joseph Priestley over this sermon.
The main fabrication here is Barton’s claim that this sermon recommended abridging the gospels for the Indians and that Jefferson was influenced by this pamphlet. None of that is true.
And you are surprised? This charlatan has been exposed by you and Chris Rodda numerous times, and he is still given a platform, albeit Beck. All I can is shake my head and laugh.
Very good comment Ken.
“When I was a kid I lived in Utah, and the Boy Scouts was taken over by Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (FLDS Church). This, so called religion, practices underage polygamy, they send the boy s off on missions to divide the underage sisters among the dirty old men of the clan. Now when these underage girls get pregnant, these same dirty old men, send them to the state to get their welfare checks . You should see some of the palace homes that are paid with welfare checks (not on just one of course). By the way this is the newest religion that was created right here in United States of America, I guess their also in AZ, CA, NM, TX, NV, CO, OK. When someone hides behind religion to do or say something that is wrong we should stand up and point it out (right the wrong). Someone should ask Glenn Beck about it, he seems to have all the answers.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iisl-xH3Xs
“When I was a kid I lived in Utah, and the Boy Scouts was taken over by Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (FLDS Church). This, so called religion, practices underage polygamy, they send the boy s off on missions to divide the underage sisters among the dirty old men of the clan. Now when these underage girls get pregnant, these same dirty old men, send them to the state to get their welfare checks . You should see some of the palace homes that are paid with welfare checks (not on just one of course). By the way this is the newest religion that was created right here in United States of America, I guess their also in AZ, CA, NM, TX, NV, CO, OK. When someone hides behind religion to do or say something that is wrong we should stand up and point it out (right the wrong). Someone should ask Glenn Beck about it, he seems to have all the answers.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iisl-xH3Xs
Jefferson actually recommended Aesop’s Fables for teaching morals to the Indians. It’s in Benjamin Rush’s autobiography. (You know, Benjamin Rush who Barton loves to point out as the founder of the Philadelphia Bible Society. I guess Barton just hasn’t read his autobiography. Sure, that must be it.)
Jefferson actually recommended Aesop’s Fables for teaching morals to the Indians. It’s in Benjamin Rush’s autobiography. (You know, Benjamin Rush who Barton loves to point out as the founder of the Philadelphia Bible Society. I guess Barton just hasn’t read his autobiography. Sure, that must be it.)
Very good comment Ken.
Warren,
If you or Michael Coulter ever go on the talk-show circuit to promote your book, I’d like to recommend you tell the commentators to also invite Barton to speak on the same show, for a debate about the points in both books. I doubt he will (to my knowledge Barton has never appeared anywhere that there would be someone who actual knows about the founding fathers, or the constitution, present to counter his claims). And it would do a lot to expose Barton if every time you or Coulter spoke you could say: “We invited Barton to speak here as well, but he couldn’t make it.”
Lynn David – Jefferson did receive this sermon from a friend but told the friend in his reply about it that he agreed Jesus’ morals were super, but that he disagreed with the sermon’s criticism of the classical moralists. In any case, Jefferson declined to get the pamphlet published and even recommended Unitarian Joseph Priestley over this sermon.
The main fabrication here is Barton’s claim that this sermon recommended abridging the gospels for the Indians and that Jefferson was influenced by this pamphlet. None of that is true.
In the Appendix there are several references to people in that Society who were missionaries to American Indians. So it could by extension be claimed that his sermon would affect how that missionary activity would be carried out. But I couldn’t see anything about abridging the gospels as Jefferson later did.
So the question still remains. How does Barton tie it to Jefferson, when he has no direct evidence that Jefferson may have even read that sermon.
And you are surprised? This charlatan has been exposed by you and Chris Rodda numerous times, and he is still given a platform, albeit Beck. All I can is shake my head and laugh.
In the Appendix there are several references to people in that Society who were missionaries to American Indians. So it could by extension be claimed that his sermon would affect how that missionary activity would be carried out. But I couldn’t see anything about abridging the gospels as Jefferson later did.
So the question still remains. How does Barton tie it to Jefferson, when he has no direct evidence that Jefferson may have even read that sermon.