On the video below, at least four people who are associated with Governor Rick Perry’s The Response prayer meeting speak in favor of an apology to Native American people for the atrocities committed against them by European settlers. Jay Swallow, Lou Engle, Sam Brownback and John Benefiel appear and support the Native American Apology Resolution. In fact, John Benefiel’s ministry made the video.
Lou Engle, who is not listed as a The Response endorser but is a part of the International House of Prayer which is providing support, speaks about the apology as a way to remove the curse on the land due to how the American government treated native people. He leaves the impression that abortion today might be related in some way to the government’s practice of making and breaking treaties.
On the other hand, the event is being funded by the American Family Association, a group which condones and provides a platform for the views of Bryan Fischer. Fischer believes the native people were wiped out because they were so savage and immoral that God favored the occupying European settlers. If confessing national sins is on the agenda, I wonder if the prayers of all of these people will cancel each other out. Some will pray thanks for removing the land from the native people, and others will ask forgiveness for taking it.
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While I do not link any of our present day issues to curses, I do believe that Christians should be in the front of the line to support the Native American Apology Resolution. I repeatedly asked the AFA to do so back in the Spring with dead silence from them. In taking the view that America was acting as a proxy for God, he and the AFA stand in direct opposition to those they are partnering with to put on The Response.
Additional notes:
After I posted the above, I explored the work of John Benefiel a bit more. Right Wing Watch has a couple of posts bringing to light Benefiel’s views about the Statue of Liberty (demonic) and homosexuality (big Baal conspiracy). You can read more about Benefiel here. Benefiel and Cindy Jacobs have a fixation on Baal which strangely enough is a tie to the Native American Apology Resolution. It is all explained here in this prayer alert from Jacobs’ Generals International.
I don’t really understand it all, but it appears that the Resolution was used as a kind of talisman to appease spirits in places around Route 50 all through the nation. The Resolution is important because it represents a necessary step to keeping a covenant given by God to the Pilgrims to evangelize the native people. So when the settlers breached treaties, they were also breaking covenant with God. According to this line of thinking, God won’t hear our prayers until we get things right with indigenous people.
The passage of the Resolution was viewed as a means of entering into a second phase of repentence from idolatry — which is divorcing Baal via a rejection of freemasonry and the occult. Enter the statue of liberty. According to Benefiel, this pagan symbol is idol worship. Benefiel and the Generals folks want to pray all of that away.
What a gathering The Promise should be. I think if God could be confused, this meeting might be the one to accomplish it. David Barton will be thanking God for George Washington’s faith, and John Benefiel will be divorcing himself from Washington’s freemasonry. Bryan Fischer and the AFA might pray in thanks for delivering the land into the hands of the Europeans, and John Benefiel and the apostles will be in remorse over it.
Since God is not the author of confusion, then I am not sure what is going on with The Response.
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Seems pretty obvious that God ordains all that comes to pass. I do remember that God used pagan nations to punish Israel at times and then he punished and judged the pagan nations as well. So…
He really isn’t happy with paganism and idolatry. Ignorance of the law is no excuse unfortunately. That’s why we have missionaries preaching the gospel to people who have not heard that their sins can be forgiven.
Unfortunately also, when you go into any newly discovered lands, there are always going to be unscrupulous people on both sides fighting each other. The people who were already there don’t have some monopoly on virtue. They are sinners just like the sinners who come and take advantage of them. We all deserve judgement.
Oh James if you don’t mind I am going to “lift” this one from you. I am a frequent participant in an Evangelical Website and will have many occasions to use “fear based theology”
Good points you made Paula.
May I exhort all Christians reading this post to consider that God has used pagan kings and rulers to accomplish HIs ends in the past. Nebuchadnezzar in the book of Daniel… The books of Ezra – Nehemiah are great examples of this. I thank God that something like this RESPONSE is happening, if not for any other reason than to remind Christians throughout our land to pray “for kings …and for all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.” (I Timothy 2:1-3).
Good points you made Paula.
May I exhort all Christians reading this post to consider that God has used pagan kings and rulers to accomplish HIs ends in the past. Nebuchadnezzar in the book of Daniel… The books of Ezra – Nehemiah are great examples of this. I thank God that something like this RESPONSE is happening, if not for any other reason than to remind Christians throughout our land to pray “for kings …and for all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.” (I Timothy 2:1-3).
Seems pretty obvious that God ordains all that comes to pass. I do remember that God used pagan nations to punish Israel at times and then he punished and judged the pagan nations as well. So…
He really isn’t happy with paganism and idolatry. Ignorance of the law is no excuse unfortunately. That’s why we have missionaries preaching the gospel to people who have not heard that their sins can be forgiven.
Unfortunately also, when you go into any newly discovered lands, there are always going to be unscrupulous people on both sides fighting each other. The people who were already there don’t have some monopoly on virtue. They are sinners just like the sinners who come and take advantage of them. We all deserve judgement.
“James – God did not promise North America to the Europeans so yes we should apologize the the native people for genocide and taking their land.”
I didn’t take anyone’s land. I wasn’t here. Neither were they (the ones that are alive to hear any apology). I have as much right to be here as they do.
Have they apologized for all the massacres they participated in? How about the wars they had before we came? Why is anyone interested in the color of anyone’s skin anymore anyway?
History is full of this stuff. We can’t make amends for our ancestors to the people who are alive today, that’s just silly. And the only way you can even conceive of doing it is to identify people by their physical traits as if that means something valuable.
We accept that bad things happen in history, we try to avoid participating when it happens in our time, or try to stop it if we can, and trust that God will sort it out, ask his forgiveness and the forgiveness of people we ACTUALLY wronged, forgive others for having wronged us, and move on.
“James – God did not promise North America to the Europeans so yes we should apologize the the native people for genocide and taking their land.”
I didn’t take anyone’s land. I wasn’t here. Neither were they (the ones that are alive to hear any apology). I have as much right to be here as they do.
Have they apologized for all the massacres they participated in? How about the wars they had before we came? Why is anyone interested in the color of anyone’s skin anymore anyway?
History is full of this stuff. We can’t make amends for our ancestors to the people who are alive today, that’s just silly. And the only way you can even conceive of doing it is to identify people by their physical traits as if that means something valuable.
We accept that bad things happen in history, we try to avoid participating when it happens in our time, or try to stop it if we can, and trust that God will sort it out, ask his forgiveness and the forgiveness of people we ACTUALLY wronged, forgive others for having wronged us, and move on.
Oh James if you don’t mind I am going to “lift” this one from you. I am a frequent participant in an Evangelical Website and will have many occasions to use “fear based theology”
This was an epic post. Throckmorton is mastering the art of dry wit.
In the end, this is all about a fear-based theology. There always needs to be a terrible threat on the horizon, whether that be divine curse due to our failure to apologize to the Native Americans or whether it is a divine curse b/c Obama supported some UN resolution backing native rights.
At various times, the threat came from rock n’ roll, rock n’ roll played in reverse, long hair, women’s lib, bar codes, Pokemon, Harry Potter, Dungeons and Dragons, yoga, meditation, sex ed, the DARE anti-drug program, FEMA, the UN, the CFR, Soros, the Bilderbergs, China, Russia, sharia law, electromagentic pulse weapons, chem trails, and I am pretty sure that gays are on that list somewhere too.
This was an epic post. Throckmorton is mastering the art of dry wit.
In the end, this is all about a fear-based theology. There always needs to be a terrible threat on the horizon, whether that be divine curse due to our failure to apologize to the Native Americans or whether it is a divine curse b/c Obama supported some UN resolution backing native rights.
At various times, the threat came from rock n’ roll, rock n’ roll played in reverse, long hair, women’s lib, bar codes, Pokemon, Harry Potter, Dungeons and Dragons, yoga, meditation, sex ed, the DARE anti-drug program, FEMA, the UN, the CFR, Soros, the Bilderbergs, China, Russia, sharia law, electromagentic pulse weapons, chem trails, and I am pretty sure that gays are on that list somewhere too.
IN response to the outcry against Gov Perry’s Prayer Meeting, Jesus Christ said: “BEWARE OF THE LEAVEN OF HEROD”
Most Christians know what the leaven of the Pharisees is, but I think few know what the Leaven of Herod is. It is the forming of unholy alliances between church and state, religion and government. But I can’t help but wonder where the outcry was when Rick Warren is drunk on the leaven of Herod in his Global Peace Plan? Remember the Antichrist will destroy many with PEACE. Without even attacking Muslims, but simply sharing what their own eschatology teaches about the End of Days, you can determine for yourself if Islam is a religion of peace. See “Islamic Jesus vs. Biblical Jesus” at perfectpeace plan dot com for proof. Finally, what’s next? Apologizing to the Native Canaanites for seizing their land that God swore to give to Abraham and his descendants until the end of time.
James – God did not promise North America to the Europeans so yes we should apologize the the native people for genocide and taking their land.
IN response to the outcry against Gov Perry’s Prayer Meeting, Jesus Christ said: “BEWARE OF THE LEAVEN OF HEROD”
Most Christians know what the leaven of the Pharisees is, but I think few know what the Leaven of Herod is. It is the forming of unholy alliances between church and state, religion and government. But I can’t help but wonder where the outcry was when Rick Warren is drunk on the leaven of Herod in his Global Peace Plan? Remember the Antichrist will destroy many with PEACE. Without even attacking Muslims, but simply sharing what their own eschatology teaches about the End of Days, you can determine for yourself if Islam is a religion of peace. See “Islamic Jesus vs. Biblical Jesus” at perfectpeace plan dot com for proof. Finally, what’s next? Apologizing to the Native Canaanites for seizing their land that God swore to give to Abraham and his descendants until the end of time.
James – God did not promise North America to the Europeans so yes we should apologize the the native people for genocide and taking their land.
I laughed so hard when I read this topic, really, it is so hilarious. Especially liked this line, “I think if God could be confused, this meeting might be the one to accomplish it.” ha-ha-ha.
What truly does amaze me though, is these people mentioned in the article have believers, followers. Look even the governor of Texas buys into them, he is literally putting them on a pedestal.
I laughed so hard when I read this topic, really, it is so hilarious. Especially liked this line, “I think if God could be confused, this meeting might be the one to accomplish it.” ha-ha-ha.
What truly does amaze me though, is these people mentioned in the article have believers, followers. Look even the governor of Texas buys into them, he is literally putting them on a pedestal.
Fr Hogan of the Committee for Catholic Charismatic Renewal is an endorser of The Response.
What no Papists in the group?
Chaos and confusion are, according to the lot of these hysterical blowhards, is the specialty and province of Satan. It looks like the leaders of this ad hoc coven are so at odds with each other, it must be the Great Deceiver who has really brought on The Response. Ha! How fitting.
Fr Hogan of the Committee for Catholic Charismatic Renewal is an endorser of The Response.
What no Papists in the group?
Chaos and confusion are, according to the lot of these hysterical blowhards, is the specialty and province of Satan. It looks like the leaders of this ad hoc coven are so at odds with each other, it must be the Great Deceiver who has really brought on The Response. Ha! How fitting.
I don’t know if it’s worth mentioning, but do you remember the “backward masking” rock music furor in the 1980s? Another of the Response participants, Jacob Aranza, was central to that panic.
I don’t know if it’s worth mentioning, but do you remember the “backward masking” rock music furor in the 1980s? Another of the Response participants, Jacob Aranza, was central to that panic.