Rachel Maddow adds commentary to the controversy over David Kato’s murder.
Those close to Kato have told me that Kato did not pay prostitutes and that the scenario developing around him is implausible. If they are correct and Enock Nsuguba killed Kato for other reasons, I suppose a gay panic type defense might be a strategic move in order to avoid the hangman.
Maddow here may overemphasize the direct American influence on this bill. However, she certainly is correct that the rhetoric offered by Scott Lively and Caleb Brundidge (I leave out Don Schmierer because his talk included very little about reorientation and was nothing like Lively’s venom) was supportive to the plan of certain Ugandans to create the Anti-Homosexuality Bill. Lively’s nuclear bomb cannot be wished away with confusing and hateful op-eds. The only productive stance by people who misled the Ugandan people is to repent and ask them to follow the example of Jesus when he prevented the mob from killing a women believed to be a sinner.
I suspect that events in Egypt have, to an extent, overshadowed those in Uganda – which is perhaps understandable, given their magnitude and significance.
(I am NOT, of course, suggesting that the brutal and senseless murder of David Kato is not an event of great importance; the unfolding story of the investigation into this foul crime is also highly ‘revealing’ – especially given the different [premature] ‘explanations’ that have been issued [with subsequent implied retractions following in their wake], and the unprecedented criticism of homophobia recently issued by the Inspector General of Police, who has described the activities of the likes of Muhame and Ssempa as ‘absolutely unacceptable’.)
A serious point now:
Nsubuga is reported to have said the following:-
“Kato wanted me to be his lover which I completely refused because I was not pleased with what he was doing to fellow men.”
This is interesting, because earlier claims said that N. had said that he and Kato were ‘lovers’. The story is already changing, it would seem. How much more ‘change’ is to come?
I’m ‘spinning tales’, am I? What ‘tales’ precisely? Maybe you could ‘spell it out’ for us, and then we can discuss thing on an item-by-item basis? Yes?
Just to remind you, here is some of what the Inspector General is reported to have said:-
‘ Kayihura added that police were “not dismissing” the hate crime theory and cautioned the public and Uganda’s media against “intolerance.”
‘ Last year Kato was named and pictured by an anti-gay tabloid called Rolling Stone in a story that carried the headline “Hang Them” in reference to gay rights campaigners.
‘ “Whoever is talking about hanging, we are going to have to take them on. It is absolutely unacceptable,” Kayihura said.
‘ Kayihura also admonished Anglican priest Thomas Musoke for anti-gay remarks made at Kato’s funeral last week.
‘ “You don’t make such statements at a funeral,” he said. “God accepts everybody … you must be sensitive.” ‘
Maazi – You have a massive chip on your shoulder.
Correct me if I am wrong but I believe the only countries in the world which make homosexuality punishable by death are Islamic. Uganda would have been the first predominantly Christian nation to make that move. I don’t think Ugandan were ever keen on gays but the move to eradicate homosexuality as if it were a toxin in the water supply started more recently. I would place it at about 2001-2002 when Scott Lively was invited by Stephen Langa to help support the Ugandan Pro-Family movement.
And the Ugandan people are supposed to believe stories of gay sex advocates who are professional propagandist liars?
Gay Panic Defence? You chaps in the West are good in inventing new words everyday. Let us run through the list—-“Homophobia”, “same-sex marriage”, “marriage equality”, “sexual minorities”, “LGBT rights” and now this new word “Gay Panic Defence”. Keep up the inventions. May be we might just accept their validity here in Africa one day.
Keep spinning tales. Perhaps, we might just believe them one day !
‘Maazi’
Little quiz for you, honey …
Who said “Homosexuals can forget about human rights.”
Was it
A. John-Baptist Odama
B. Desmond Tutu
C. Nelson Mandela
D. Martin Luther King
E. a seedy little Ugandan politician who will soon be an former MP ?
Answers on a post card to the Secretary-General of the U.N.. Closing date: 08/02/2011.
Good luck!
But thank you anyway, Ann! How nice of you to say so.
Back to the substantive issue:-
Let us assume that
(a) David bailed Nsubuga out of prison (David was a generous person, by many accounts), and
(b) N. killed David.
A veritable avalanche of questions follow in the wake of these assumptions, among them:-
1. Why did David bail N. (and not someone else)?
2. Did ‘someone’ advise N. to ask David for help?
3. If the answer to 2. is ‘yes’, who? And why?
4. From whom did David receive threats in the weeks before he was murdered?
5. Was the hacking of his Email, etc., designed to ‘cover up’ the sources of those threats?
6. Did those who sent threats know N.?
and so on …
It may be that ‘justice’ must be sought for not only David Kato but also Enock Nsubuga, horrible though his alleged action was …
But thank you anyway, Ann! How nice of you to say so.
Back to the substantive issue:-
Let us assume that
(a) David bailed Nsubuga out of prison (David was a generous person, by many accounts), and
(b) N. killed David.
A veritable avalanche of questions follow in the wake of these assumptions, among them:-
1. Why did David bail N. (and not someone else)?
2. Did ‘someone’ advise N. to ask David for help?
3. If the answer to 2. is ‘yes’, who? And why?
4. From whom did David receive threats in the weeks before he was murdered?
5. Was the hacking of his Email, etc., designed to ‘cover up’ the sources of those threats?
6. Did those who sent threats know N.?
and so on …
It may be that ‘justice’ must be sought for not only David Kato but also Enock Nsubuga, horrible though his alleged action was …
Have you ever been to Cleethorpes??!!
Have you ever been to Cleethorpes??!!
Richard Willmer,
I wish I had the knowledge to answer the quiz – these prizes look great!
‘Maazi’
Did you enter the quiz, dear? If so, the answer was ‘E’.
The PRIZES* are as follows:-
FIRST PRIZE: Dinner with RW;
SECOND PRIZE: A (very clean) weekend in Cleethorpes with RW;
THIRD PRIZE: A five week safari through the Grampians with RW (no camping allowed).
* Terms and conditions apply.
Richard Willmer,
I wish I had the knowledge to answer the quiz – these prizes look great!
‘Maazi’
Did you enter the quiz, dear? If so, the answer was ‘E’.
The PRIZES* are as follows:-
FIRST PRIZE: Dinner with RW;
SECOND PRIZE: A (very clean) weekend in Cleethorpes with RW;
THIRD PRIZE: A five week safari through the Grampians with RW (no camping allowed).
* Terms and conditions apply.
A serious point now:
Nsubuga is reported to have said the following:-
“Kato wanted me to be his lover which I completely refused because I was not pleased with what he was doing to fellow men.”
This is interesting, because earlier claims said that N. had said that he and Kato were ‘lovers’. The story is already changing, it would seem. How much more ‘change’ is to come?
I’m ‘spinning tales’, am I? What ‘tales’ precisely? Maybe you could ‘spell it out’ for us, and then we can discuss thing on an item-by-item basis? Yes?
Just to remind you, here is some of what the Inspector General is reported to have said:-
‘ Kayihura added that police were “not dismissing” the hate crime theory and cautioned the public and Uganda’s media against “intolerance.”
‘ Last year Kato was named and pictured by an anti-gay tabloid called Rolling Stone in a story that carried the headline “Hang Them” in reference to gay rights campaigners.
‘ “Whoever is talking about hanging, we are going to have to take them on. It is absolutely unacceptable,” Kayihura said.
‘ Kayihura also admonished Anglican priest Thomas Musoke for anti-gay remarks made at Kato’s funeral last week.
‘ “You don’t make such statements at a funeral,” he said. “God accepts everybody … you must be sensitive.” ‘
‘Maazi’
Little quiz for you, honey …
Who said “Homosexuals can forget about human rights.”
Was it
A. John-Baptist Odama
B. Desmond Tutu
C. Nelson Mandela
D. Martin Luther King
E. a seedy little Ugandan politician who will soon be an former MP ?
Answers on a post card to the Secretary-General of the U.N.. Closing date: 08/02/2011.
Good luck!
‘Maazi’
I was only citing your own Inspector General of Police. Don’t you trust him?
This is just propaganda. The Ugandan people rose against gayism when some gay sex militants came out in the open and started demanding special dispensation (a.k.a “LGBT rights”) to practice sexual depravity openly; started surreptitious distribution of leaflets to sensitize vulnerable youths about their “LGBT rights”; went on local radio to promote their behaviour; formed alliances with gay-obsessed western NGOs and Western Embassies, etc. All Uganda reacted against these things with a vehemence only surpassed by desparate attempts by external forces to impose the Gay Agenda on the African continent. Evangelical Ugandans are just one of several segments of Ugandan society opposed to gayism. Evangelical resistance to gayism is better to known to westerners because—-(1) the Pentecostals are very vocal and (2) US liberals and US libertarian ideologues need a blunt weapon to use against their conservative foes back home in the ongoing US cultural civil war. No weapon is more effective than for an American liberal to scream that those opposed to something called “marriage equality” are in support of “massacre of gays in Uganda”.
So you want to extrapolate a sentence which is usually applied to Black Americans when they complain of discrimination? I won’t even bother to provide a substantive reply to this canard.
Yes, I will correct you because you are wrong. The Ugandan State NEVER made any attempt to make gayism punishable by death. A parliamentarian wrote a private member’s bill which included the death penalty. The Ugandan State will never pass the poorly written original version of the Bahati Bill, especially when large sections of Ugandan society opposed the capital punishment provision. Therefore, efforts are underway to contain gay militancy by fashioning a constitutionally-correct legislation, which the Ugandan people can be proud of. BTW, Nigeria is a secular Federation, but certain regions there NOMINALLY retain death penalty provisions for deviant sexual behaviour.
‘Maazi’
I was only citing your own Inspector General of Police. Don’t you trust him?
Maazi – You have a massive chip on your shoulder.
Correct me if I am wrong but I believe the only countries in the world which make homosexuality punishable by death are Islamic. Uganda would have been the first predominantly Christian nation to make that move. I don’t think Ugandan were ever keen on gays but the move to eradicate homosexuality as if it were a toxin in the water supply started more recently. I would place it at about 2001-2002 when Scott Lively was invited by Stephen Langa to help support the Ugandan Pro-Family movement.
The whole video commentary is just a typical of western news report. This is probably the millionth version of the propagandist storyline below—-
Yes, yes, yes, the Africans are brainless. They tolerated gayism until some evil super-intelligent europeans arrived in the 19th century and ordered them not to tolerate it any more. Even then, the Africans still managed to somehow continue tolerating gayism against the instructions of the European missionaries, so a bunch of Americans came over in 2009 to remind them that they should not tolerate the gay sex practitioners. Three WHITE men were able to convert over 30 million BLACK people into rabid anti-gays because these Bazungus have dominant brainpower over the natives. Phew !!
And the Ugandan people are supposed to believe stories of gay sex advocates who are professional propagandist liars?
Gay Panic Defence? You chaps in the West are good in inventing new words everyday. Let us run through the list—-“Homophobia”, “same-sex marriage”, “marriage equality”, “sexual minorities”, “LGBT rights” and now this new word “Gay Panic Defence”. Keep up the inventions. May be we might just accept their validity here in Africa one day.
Keep spinning tales. Perhaps, we might just believe them one day !
This is just propaganda. The Ugandan people rose against gayism when some gay sex militants came out in the open and started demanding special dispensation (a.k.a “LGBT rights”) to practice sexual depravity openly; started surreptitious distribution of leaflets to sensitize vulnerable youths about their “LGBT rights”; went on local radio to promote their behaviour; formed alliances with gay-obsessed western NGOs and Western Embassies, etc. All Uganda reacted against these things with a vehemence only surpassed by desparate attempts by external forces to impose the Gay Agenda on the African continent. Evangelical Ugandans are just one of several segments of Ugandan society opposed to gayism. Evangelical resistance to gayism is better to known to westerners because—-(1) the Pentecostals are very vocal and (2) US liberals and US libertarian ideologues need a blunt weapon to use against their conservative foes back home in the ongoing US cultural civil war. No weapon is more effective than for an American liberal to scream that those opposed to something called “marriage equality” are in support of “massacre of gays in Uganda”.
So you want to extrapolate a sentence which is usually applied to Black Americans when they complain of discrimination? I won’t even bother to provide a substantive reply to this canard.
Yes, I will correct you because you are wrong. The Ugandan State NEVER made any attempt to make gayism punishable by death. A parliamentarian wrote a private member’s bill which included the death penalty. The Ugandan State will never pass the poorly written original version of the Bahati Bill, especially when large sections of Ugandan society opposed the capital punishment provision. Therefore, efforts are underway to contain gay militancy by fashioning a constitutionally-correct legislation, which the Ugandan people can be proud of. BTW, Nigeria is a secular Federation, but certain regions there NOMINALLY retain death penalty provisions for deviant sexual behaviour.
The whole video commentary is just a typical of western news report. This is probably the millionth version of the propagandist storyline below—-
Yes, yes, yes, the Africans are brainless. They tolerated gayism until some evil super-intelligent europeans arrived in the 19th century and ordered them not to tolerate it any more. Even then, the Africans still managed to somehow continue tolerating gayism against the instructions of the European missionaries, so a bunch of Americans came over in 2009 to remind them that they should not tolerate the gay sex practitioners. Three WHITE men were able to convert over 30 million BLACK people into rabid anti-gays because these Bazungus have dominant brainpower over the natives. Phew !!
I suspect that events in Egypt have, to an extent, overshadowed those in Uganda – which is perhaps understandable, given their magnitude and significance.
(I am NOT, of course, suggesting that the brutal and senseless murder of David Kato is not an event of great importance; the unfolding story of the investigation into this foul crime is also highly ‘revealing’ – especially given the different [premature] ‘explanations’ that have been issued [with subsequent implied retractions following in their wake], and the unprecedented criticism of homophobia recently issued by the Inspector General of Police, who has described the activities of the likes of Muhame and Ssempa as ‘absolutely unacceptable’.)
My take away from this? Apart from the fact that Maddow would pre-announce and then ignore it for a week? Where TF is the rest of the US MSM on this?
Assuming that Nsubuga killed David Kato, I would expect that the (initial and ‘extra-judicial’) ‘he forced me’ claim is indeed about trying to escape the hangman’s noose. David Kato was small and slender … unlike Nsubuga, I believe.
That said, I would oppose the death penalty if N. is found guilty of murder, and, in the event of such a sentence, would be happy to co-operate with whomever in organising a petition for clemency.
My take away from this? Apart from the fact that Maddow would pre-announce and then ignore it for a week? Where TF is the rest of the US MSM on this?
Assuming that Nsubuga killed David Kato, I would expect that the (initial and ‘extra-judicial’) ‘he forced me’ claim is indeed about trying to escape the hangman’s noose. David Kato was small and slender … unlike Nsubuga, I believe.
That said, I would oppose the death penalty if N. is found guilty of murder, and, in the event of such a sentence, would be happy to co-operate with whomever in organising a petition for clemency.