For some, this will be a deeply disturbing video. For others, it will be illuminating. I think his descriptions of the experiences of someone who has experienced same-sex attraction during their formative year are clear and compelling. I do not hear him saying that all SSA men who are married should do what he has done. In fact, it seems like he does not have that “spousosexual” make up some SSA men have. He is however, trying to describe his experience. This must have been difficult to do.
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In response to Michael’s comment:
I didn’t take Warren’s term “spousosexual” as an attempt to establish yet another category of sexual orientation. I believe he’s simply naming one part of a reality often discussed on this site: Some individuals with a clear homosexual orientation can respond sexually in a particular heterosexual relationship, but that does NOT mean they have actually changed their orientation.
Warren has raised this point before to acknowledge the shortcoming in many ex-gay claims about “change.” As in–“Look at me, I’m married with kids, so obviously my orientation has changed.” We all know that in many (if not most) of those cases the person’s primary sexual attractions remain focused on the same sex, even though he/she manages to function “spousosexually.”
Those of us ex-ex-gays who had relatively successful marriages despite our orientation have been saying this a long time. I’ve been bemused by how often my own account of myself is disputed by other gay people, who will tell me that if I enjoyed sex with my wife, I must actually be bisexual. A true gay man could never have sustained a sexually active marriage for 25 years!
What would they say about my partner? He came out as gay while he was in high school, and has never identified as anything other than 100% homosexual. Yet he got married at 19, was married 14 years, has a son, and remains extremely close to his ex-wife.
In his case, marriage was not an attempt to change orientation, but a publicity ploy for his business. He and his wife worked in fashion, and someone wanted to market them as a “designing couple.”
(Their families all knew the full story, by the way. When her father learned of their wedding plans, he said, “Honey, do you realize this makes you a fag hag?”)
It was a surprise to them when, months after the wedding, they developed a sexual relationship. Even so she always acknowledged that he was gay, and their marriage remained fundamentally rooted in their business. When they eventually divorced, it was not over homosexuality but because he decided to change careers.
My own view, based on my own experience, my partner’s, and many other friends, is that the success of mixed-orientation marriages depends greatly on the expectations both partners bring to it. I think the tragedy that eventually befalls so many of these marriages, including my own, is rooted in the false hope that marriage will change the gay partner’s orientation.
I do not understand what you mean. What is this “make up” and what makes him different? That he do not say he is/was heterosexual?
I do not understand what you mean. What is this “make up” and what makes him different? That he do not say he is/was heterosexual?
If anything, I would hope that Swilley’s story would help others who do not understand from the inside out what this struggle is like to be more sensitive to the depth/degree that one’s identity is impacted by homosexuality. Those of us who have gone through a transformation process, however that looks, that has brought us to an entirely different place ought not allow our experiences to be hijacked for political expediency or set ourselves up as superior in some way. That only rubs salt in old wounds and does the Church no good. I would hope that attitude is passing. It is essential to grasp the deeper significance of God’s grace to humankind.
An issue that is worthy of being examined closely, however, is the danger of a person who has gone through a struggle as significant as Swilley’s coming out as someone whose giftedness (anointing) is seen as superior because of the struggle, thereby giving him a special mandate. Swilley can show us what grace looks like, and we need that. But he is otherwise on thin ice just now. It remains to be seen where he will take this as a leader within one part of the Church. He must be very careful to keep the tendency to be smug and prideful under God’s grace.
Also, while he apparently is in no current same-sex relationship, he did give a voice to at least one person in his congregation who is. So what he is saying though that? What implications for the body of Christ lie therein? That is still an area where there is a great divide in the Church.
If anything, I would hope that Swilley’s story would help others who do not understand from the inside out what this struggle is like to be more sensitive to the depth/degree that one’s identity is impacted by homosexuality. Those of us who have gone through a transformation process, however that looks, that has brought us to an entirely different place ought not allow our experiences to be hijacked for political expediency or set ourselves up as superior in some way. That only rubs salt in old wounds and does the Church no good. I would hope that attitude is passing. It is essential to grasp the deeper significance of God’s grace to humankind.
An issue that is worthy of being examined closely, however, is the danger of a person who has gone through a struggle as significant as Swilley’s coming out as someone whose giftedness (anointing) is seen as superior because of the struggle, thereby giving him a special mandate. Swilley can show us what grace looks like, and we need that. But he is otherwise on thin ice just now. It remains to be seen where he will take this as a leader within one part of the Church. He must be very careful to keep the tendency to be smug and prideful under God’s grace.
Also, while he apparently is in no current same-sex relationship, he did give a voice to at least one person in his congregation who is. So what he is saying though that? What implications for the body of Christ lie therein? That is still an area where there is a great divide in the Church.
If anything, I would hope that Swilley’s story would help others who do not understand from the inside out what this struggle is like to be more sensitive to the depth/degree that one’s identity is impacted by homosexuality. Those of us who have gone through a transformation process, however that looks, that has brought us to an entirely different place ought not allow our experiences to be hijacked for political expediency or set ourselves up as superior in some way. That only rubs salt in old wounds and does the Church no good. I would hope that attitude is passing. It is essential to grasp the deeper significance of God’s grace to humankind.
An issue that is worthy of being examined closely, however, is the danger of a person who has gone through a struggle as significant as Swilley’s coming out as someone whose giftedness (anointing) is seen as superior because of the struggle, thereby giving him a special mandate. Swilley can show us what grace looks like, and we need that. But he is otherwise on thin ice just now. It remains to be seen where he will take this as a leader within one part of the Church. He must be very careful to keep the tendency to be smug and prideful under God’s grace.
Also, while he apparently is in no current same-sex relationship, he did give a voice to at least one person in his congregation who is. So what he is saying though that? What implications for the body of Christ lie therein? That is still an area where there is a great divide in the Church.
Well said.
Agreed. One researcher (Dr, Amity Buxton — author of “The Other Side Of The Closet”) has interviewed thousands of mixed-orientation couples and has found the same thing. It’s about honesty and expectations. Dr. Buxton found that about 1/3 of such marriages succeed in the long term — but that most eventually fold — with much heartache for all concerned. She lived through it herself.
Agreed. In my own case, (and for many of the married gay men I talk to daily) we were told that we should expect at least some degree of sexual reorientation IF we had enought faith and really wanted “change” strongly enough. When the “change” did not happen, many were been told that their faith was faulty or that they were not “truly saved”.
In response to Michael’s comment:
I didn’t take Warren’s term “spousosexual” as an attempt to establish yet another category of sexual orientation. I believe he’s simply naming one part of a reality often discussed on this site: Some individuals with a clear homosexual orientation can respond sexually in a particular heterosexual relationship, but that does NOT mean they have actually changed their orientation.
Warren has raised this point before to acknowledge the shortcoming in many ex-gay claims about “change.” As in–“Look at me, I’m married with kids, so obviously my orientation has changed.” We all know that in many (if not most) of those cases the person’s primary sexual attractions remain focused on the same sex, even though he/she manages to function “spousosexually.”
Those of us ex-ex-gays who had relatively successful marriages despite our orientation have been saying this a long time. I’ve been bemused by how often my own account of myself is disputed by other gay people, who will tell me that if I enjoyed sex with my wife, I must actually be bisexual. A true gay man could never have sustained a sexually active marriage for 25 years!
What would they say about my partner? He came out as gay while he was in high school, and has never identified as anything other than 100% homosexual. Yet he got married at 19, was married 14 years, has a son, and remains extremely close to his ex-wife.
In his case, marriage was not an attempt to change orientation, but a publicity ploy for his business. He and his wife worked in fashion, and someone wanted to market them as a “designing couple.”
(Their families all knew the full story, by the way. When her father learned of their wedding plans, he said, “Honey, do you realize this makes you a fag hag?”)
It was a surprise to them when, months after the wedding, they developed a sexual relationship. Even so she always acknowledged that he was gay, and their marriage remained fundamentally rooted in their business. When they eventually divorced, it was not over homosexuality but because he decided to change careers.
My own view, based on my own experience, my partner’s, and many other friends, is that the success of mixed-orientation marriages depends greatly on the expectations both partners bring to it. I think the tragedy that eventually befalls so many of these marriages, including my own, is rooted in the false hope that marriage will change the gay partner’s orientation.
I think Pam could probably tell you a thing or two about mixed orientation marriages 🙂
@Michael,
And- there are a few gay men I know in the midwest who, because they can’t get married here, married other women simply for the tax benefits, but they lead separate sexual and romantic lives. Dang, I even recently had a friend Heather, who did marry another man just so she could have health insurance since her current job doesn’t offer them. They too lead separate sexual and romantic lives. It makes me wonder just how many people like this are out there.
Well said.
Agreed. One researcher (Dr, Amity Buxton — author of “The Other Side Of The Closet”) has interviewed thousands of mixed-orientation couples and has found the same thing. It’s about honesty and expectations. Dr. Buxton found that about 1/3 of such marriages succeed in the long term — but that most eventually fold — with much heartache for all concerned. She lived through it herself.
Agreed. In my own case, (and for many of the married gay men I talk to daily) we were told that we should expect at least some degree of sexual reorientation IF we had enought faith and really wanted “change” strongly enough. When the “change” did not happen, many were been told that their faith was faulty or that they were not “truly saved”.
Well said.
Agreed. One researcher (Dr, Amity Buxton — author of “The Other Side Of The Closet”) has interviewed thousands of mixed-orientation couples and has found the same thing. It’s about honesty and expectations. Dr. Buxton found that about 1/3 of such marriages succeed in the long term — but that most eventually fold — with much heartache for all concerned. She lived through it herself.
Agreed. In my own case, (and for many of the married gay men I talk to daily) we were told that we should expect at least some degree of sexual reorientation IF we had enought faith and really wanted “change” strongly enough. When the “change” did not happen, many were been told that their faith was faulty or that they were not “truly saved”.
As a gay man who was married heterosexually married at one point in my life, I have to say my heart goes out to him and to other men in “mixed orientation” marriages. I applaud his candor and courage. It is not an easy thing for either party — and there is no “one size fits all” solution.
I have to admit I feel uncomfortable with the notion of “spouso-sexuality” –as though it represented some new “orientation”. It is nothing new and not unsual that many homosexually or bisexually oriented men have decided to get married. Being homosexual or bisexual in orientation does not make heterosexual functioning or happiness impossible. It just makes it more challenging.
For a variety of reasons, many homosexual or bisexual men choose to get married and remain heterosexuallly married. I think this represents an adaptation — not an separate orientation. Some heterosexually married gay or bi men are completely open and honest with their wives about their “struggles” — and together they find ways to cope and be happy.
Others, sadly, remain closeted, guilt-ridden and fearful. Many such men lead compulsive, dangerous, self-destructive lives. I speak to many such men daily.
Some men were already bisexual to some extent and may find it easier to not act upon gay feelings — since they already had some degree of heterosexuality.
Some such men fantasize about other men while making love to their wives. Some focus on the pleasant physcial and emotional sensations of lovemaking and find that is enough. Some avoid sex as much as possible — and some have married women for whom sex was not high on the list of priorities to begin with. This is a common pattern I have seen.
If mixed-orientation couple can work it out — fine. God bless them. My concern is what happens when mixed orientation marriages fail. Within some circles, such marriages are strongly encouraged and held up as the goal or proof of “change” in sexual orientation. Some homosexual or bisexual men are even urged by pastors or therapists to attempt heterosexual marriage as a “leap of faith”. The “collarteral damage” to souses and children is often immense.
I received a letter from Jim last week. It’s clear his decision to come out was made years ago and he was waiting for what would kick-start it. As a pentecostal Christian, i cannot imagine how many pastors in my denomination are struggling with what Jim struggled with. How do you serve God and be at conflict with who you are? I still cannot find a pentecostal church in Boston that will let me give the whole of me to God. It’s sad but we shall get there.
My initial comment was part 1, the emotional response. And make no mistake, Swilley’s personal story does ignite strong emotions, especially in someone who has struggled with same-sex attraction. His willingness to be gracious even to those who disagree with him is also compelling and serves him well.
FYI, my closest association with any charismatic church or denomination has been with the Assemblies of God church in California that ran my daughters’ school (through 4th and 6th grades, respectively). Beyond that, I’ve attended two charsmatic services, one in a San Diego black Church Of God in Christ and another in a small church just up the road from me in Virginia. My roots are Southern Baptist, but my journey took me through 10 years in a Nazarene church and 7 in an EFCA church.
That said, I want to say I have submitted this thing to prayer, and will continue to do so. I have done a bit more reading, as well. I was particularly interested in Ed Stetzer’s (a fellow Southern Baptist’s) take on it here. I’m sure I will be reading more about this in the days to come. I’ve also read some of the gay blogs.
Stetzer did point out a few things I also had noted on a pad as I was watching the video. But, to his credit, he also understands that these issues (i.e., bullying/suicides and how gays/strugglers are to be received in the Church being foremost) are vital for the body of Christ to work through. He does not dismiss the struggle and the wrestling over Scriptural authority and what it means to be “anointed” off-handedly.
For me (i can only speak for myself) to have struggled and come out differently on this than Swilley (the male-female thing notwithstanding) is no small thing to ponder. On a much smaller scale, I also was keeping up appearances for a time, knowing I could never continue in ministry without coming clean over the struggles I’d had. FWIW.
I also can’t help but see how much grace Swilley is demonstrating as compared with someone like Mel White. Now that he is out, I do wonder how it will affect Swilley’s ministry and public persona, however. He cannot do it in the same way as before, no matter how much he thinks he can. The tension of fighting either “natural” or sinful inclinations (depending on your view of it) for decades may have been God’s school of grace for him, even if it felt unauthentic. It is gone now, and that does change things.
In response to Michael’s comment:
I didn’t take Warren’s term “spousosexual” as an attempt to establish yet another category of sexual orientation. I believe he’s simply naming one part of a reality often discussed on this site: Some individuals with a clear homosexual orientation can respond sexually in a particular heterosexual relationship, but that does NOT mean they have actually changed their orientation.
Warren has raised this point before to acknowledge the shortcoming in many ex-gay claims about “change.” As in–“Look at me, I’m married with kids, so obviously my orientation has changed.” We all know that in many (if not most) of those cases the person’s primary sexual attractions remain focused on the same sex, even though he/she manages to function “spousosexually.”
Those of us ex-ex-gays who had relatively successful marriages despite our orientation have been saying this a long time. I’ve been bemused by how often my own account of myself is disputed by other gay people, who will tell me that if I enjoyed sex with my wife, I must actually be bisexual. A true gay man could never have sustained a sexually active marriage for 25 years!
What would they say about my partner? He came out as gay while he was in high school, and has never identified as anything other than 100% homosexual. Yet he got married at 19, was married 14 years, has a son, and remains extremely close to his ex-wife.
In his case, marriage was not an attempt to change orientation, but a publicity ploy for his business. He and his wife worked in fashion, and someone wanted to market them as a “designing couple.”
(Their families all knew the full story, by the way. When her father learned of their wedding plans, he said, “Honey, do you realize this makes you a fag hag?”)
It was a surprise to them when, months after the wedding, they developed a sexual relationship. Even so she always acknowledged that he was gay, and their marriage remained fundamentally rooted in their business. When they eventually divorced, it was not over homosexuality but because he decided to change careers.
My own view, based on my own experience, my partner’s, and many other friends, is that the success of mixed-orientation marriages depends greatly on the expectations both partners bring to it. I think the tragedy that eventually befalls so many of these marriages, including my own, is rooted in the false hope that marriage will change the gay partner’s orientation.
In response to Michael’s comment:
I didn’t take Warren’s term “spousosexual” as an attempt to establish yet another category of sexual orientation. I believe he’s simply naming one part of a reality often discussed on this site: Some individuals with a clear homosexual orientation can respond sexually in a particular heterosexual relationship, but that does NOT mean they have actually changed their orientation.
Warren has raised this point before to acknowledge the shortcoming in many ex-gay claims about “change.” As in–“Look at me, I’m married with kids, so obviously my orientation has changed.” We all know that in many (if not most) of those cases the person’s primary sexual attractions remain focused on the same sex, even though he/she manages to function “spousosexually.”
Those of us ex-ex-gays who had relatively successful marriages despite our orientation have been saying this a long time. I’ve been bemused by how often my own account of myself is disputed by other gay people, who will tell me that if I enjoyed sex with my wife, I must actually be bisexual. A true gay man could never have sustained a sexually active marriage for 25 years!
What would they say about my partner? He came out as gay while he was in high school, and has never identified as anything other than 100% homosexual. Yet he got married at 19, was married 14 years, has a son, and remains extremely close to his ex-wife.
In his case, marriage was not an attempt to change orientation, but a publicity ploy for his business. He and his wife worked in fashion, and someone wanted to market them as a “designing couple.”
(Their families all knew the full story, by the way. When her father learned of their wedding plans, he said, “Honey, do you realize this makes you a fag hag?”)
It was a surprise to them when, months after the wedding, they developed a sexual relationship. Even so she always acknowledged that he was gay, and their marriage remained fundamentally rooted in their business. When they eventually divorced, it was not over homosexuality but because he decided to change careers.
My own view, based on my own experience, my partner’s, and many other friends, is that the success of mixed-orientation marriages depends greatly on the expectations both partners bring to it. I think the tragedy that eventually befalls so many of these marriages, including my own, is rooted in the false hope that marriage will change the gay partner’s orientation.
Wow. I am very nearly speechless, and it takes a lot to get me that way (!). How so very interesting (can’t think of a better word right now, God) that I should come to this video, which I watched/heard in its entirety with a humble and open heart, so soon on the heels of the conversations we’ve just had here.
While it’s hard to take it all in in one sitting, I am convinced even at this first exposure, that God has something powerful to say through this man’s experiences and ongoing ministry to all of Christendom. It’s already been said, in fact. What remains now is for it to be processed and its meaning be made manifest to and in us all.
If you could watch this without weeping either inward or outwardly — well, I don’t know how. I am writing these words as my first response, only moments after watching it. I cannot say more until I have given it time to gel and have done a lot more praying. Powerful.
Swilley did urge folks to be careful how they respond to it. So would I. Hear the man’s heart first. God’s grace is bigger than our differences. Yes, this will be hard for many people.
I think Pam could probably tell you a thing or two about mixed orientation marriages 🙂
I think Pam could probably tell you a thing or two about mixed orientation marriages 🙂
@Michael,
And- there are a few gay men I know in the midwest who, because they can’t get married here, married other women simply for the tax benefits, but they lead separate sexual and romantic lives. Dang, I even recently had a friend Heather, who did marry another man just so she could have health insurance since her current job doesn’t offer them. They too lead separate sexual and romantic lives. It makes me wonder just how many people like this are out there.
As a gay man who was married heterosexually married at one point in my life, I have to say my heart goes out to him and to other men in “mixed orientation” marriages. I applaud his candor and courage. It is not an easy thing for either party — and there is no “one size fits all” solution.
I have to admit I feel uncomfortable with the notion of “spouso-sexuality” –as though it represented some new “orientation”. It is nothing new and not unsual that many homosexually or bisexually oriented men have decided to get married. Being homosexual or bisexual in orientation does not make heterosexual functioning or happiness impossible. It just makes it more challenging.
For a variety of reasons, many homosexual or bisexual men choose to get married and remain heterosexuallly married. I think this represents an adaptation — not an separate orientation. Some heterosexually married gay or bi men are completely open and honest with their wives about their “struggles” — and together they find ways to cope and be happy.
Others, sadly, remain closeted, guilt-ridden and fearful. Many such men lead compulsive, dangerous, self-destructive lives. I speak to many such men daily.
Some men were already bisexual to some extent and may find it easier to not act upon gay feelings — since they already had some degree of heterosexuality.
Some such men fantasize about other men while making love to their wives. Some focus on the pleasant physcial and emotional sensations of lovemaking and find that is enough. Some avoid sex as much as possible — and some have married women for whom sex was not high on the list of priorities to begin with. This is a common pattern I have seen.
If mixed-orientation couple can work it out — fine. God bless them. My concern is what happens when mixed orientation marriages fail. Within some circles, such marriages are strongly encouraged and held up as the goal or proof of “change” in sexual orientation. Some homosexual or bisexual men are even urged by pastors or therapists to attempt heterosexual marriage as a “leap of faith”. The “collarteral damage” to souses and children is often immense.
I received a letter from Jim last week. It’s clear his decision to come out was made years ago and he was waiting for what would kick-start it. As a pentecostal Christian, i cannot imagine how many pastors in my denomination are struggling with what Jim struggled with. How do you serve God and be at conflict with who you are? I still cannot find a pentecostal church in Boston that will let me give the whole of me to God. It’s sad but we shall get there.
I received a letter from Jim last week. It’s clear his decision to come out was made years ago and he was waiting for what would kick-start it. As a pentecostal Christian, i cannot imagine how many pastors in my denomination are struggling with what Jim struggled with. How do you serve God and be at conflict with who you are? I still cannot find a pentecostal church in Boston that will let me give the whole of me to God. It’s sad but we shall get there.
My initial comment was part 1, the emotional response. And make no mistake, Swilley’s personal story does ignite strong emotions, especially in someone who has struggled with same-sex attraction. His willingness to be gracious even to those who disagree with him is also compelling and serves him well.
FYI, my closest association with any charismatic church or denomination has been with the Assemblies of God church in California that ran my daughters’ school (through 4th and 6th grades, respectively). Beyond that, I’ve attended two charsmatic services, one in a San Diego black Church Of God in Christ and another in a small church just up the road from me in Virginia. My roots are Southern Baptist, but my journey took me through 10 years in a Nazarene church and 7 in an EFCA church.
That said, I want to say I have submitted this thing to prayer, and will continue to do so. I have done a bit more reading, as well. I was particularly interested in Ed Stetzer’s (a fellow Southern Baptist’s) take on it here. I’m sure I will be reading more about this in the days to come. I’ve also read some of the gay blogs.
Stetzer did point out a few things I also had noted on a pad as I was watching the video. But, to his credit, he also understands that these issues (i.e., bullying/suicides and how gays/strugglers are to be received in the Church being foremost) are vital for the body of Christ to work through. He does not dismiss the struggle and the wrestling over Scriptural authority and what it means to be “anointed” off-handedly.
For me (i can only speak for myself) to have struggled and come out differently on this than Swilley (the male-female thing notwithstanding) is no small thing to ponder. On a much smaller scale, I also was keeping up appearances for a time, knowing I could never continue in ministry without coming clean over the struggles I’d had. FWIW.
I also can’t help but see how much grace Swilley is demonstrating as compared with someone like Mel White. Now that he is out, I do wonder how it will affect Swilley’s ministry and public persona, however. He cannot do it in the same way as before, no matter how much he thinks he can. The tension of fighting either “natural” or sinful inclinations (depending on your view of it) for decades may have been God’s school of grace for him, even if it felt unauthentic. It is gone now, and that does change things.
Wow. I am very nearly speechless, and it takes a lot to get me that way (!). How so very interesting (can’t think of a better word right now, God) that I should come to this video, which I watched/heard in its entirety with a humble and open heart, so soon on the heels of the conversations we’ve just had here.
While it’s hard to take it all in in one sitting, I am convinced even at this first exposure, that God has something powerful to say through this man’s experiences and ongoing ministry to all of Christendom. It’s already been said, in fact. What remains now is for it to be processed and its meaning be made manifest to and in us all.
If you could watch this without weeping either inward or outwardly — well, I don’t know how. I am writing these words as my first response, only moments after watching it. I cannot say more until I have given it time to gel and have done a lot more praying. Powerful.
Swilley did urge folks to be careful how they respond to it. So would I. Hear the man’s heart first. God’s grace is bigger than our differences. Yes, this will be hard for many people.
Wow. I am very nearly speechless, and it takes a lot to get me that way (!). How so very interesting (can’t think of a better word right now, God) that I should come to this video, which I watched/heard in its entirety with a humble and open heart, so soon on the heels of the conversations we’ve just had here.
While it’s hard to take it all in in one sitting, I am convinced even at this first exposure, that God has something powerful to say through this man’s experiences and ongoing ministry to all of Christendom. It’s already been said, in fact. What remains now is for it to be processed and its meaning be made manifest to and in us all.
If you could watch this without weeping either inward or outwardly — well, I don’t know how. I am writing these words as my first response, only moments after watching it. I cannot say more until I have given it time to gel and have done a lot more praying. Powerful.
Swilley did urge folks to be careful how they respond to it. So would I. Hear the man’s heart first. God’s grace is bigger than our differences. Yes, this will be hard for many people.
Thanks for sharing that link, Warren. Very powerful stuff. I’m sure some folks are up in arms about it, but I agree with you that he’s merely sharing the truth as he knows it, and was brave to publicly talk about those experiences. Good for him!
Thanks for sharing that link, Warren. Very powerful stuff. I’m sure some folks are up in arms about it, but I agree with you that he’s merely sharing the truth as he knows it, and was brave to publicly talk about those experiences. Good for him!
Thanks for sharing that link, Warren. Very powerful stuff. I’m sure some folks are up in arms about it, but I agree with you that he’s merely sharing the truth as he knows it, and was brave to publicly talk about those experiences. Good for him!