Voice of America TV2Africa on the Anti-Homosexuality Bill

Recent report from Voice of America TV2Africa  on the Anti-Homosexuality Bill in the context of the African Anglican Bishops’ meeting in Entebbe.

Note the interview with David Bahati, regarding the reason for the bill. He wants to define homosexuality in more specific terms in order to make the penalties clear. Also, you see a brief appearance by Martin Ssempa.

48 thoughts on “Voice of America TV2Africa on the Anti-Homosexuality Bill”

  1. after all nobody asks animals for consent before they are killed for their meat, used in race courses for our entertainment and worked in our farms

    In most places of America there are animal rights laws on the books. Animal cruelty is punishable by time in jail and/or fine.

  2. Is masturbation (onanism) illegal in Uganda and punishable by a prison term? The punishment waged upon Onan in the Bible was death, afterall. So?

  3. Maazi,

    So the Ugandian Bill that criminalizes homosexuality is not about religion? It is about long standing culture?

  4. In most places of America there are animal rights laws on the books. Animal cruelty is punishable by time in jail and/or fine.

    Dear Mary,

    The last time I checked; riding a horse in racecourses or in a ranch was a widespread legal activity in the United States of America. On Thanksgiving Day, the dinner tables of most Americans are still graced with the cooked carcass of a turkey. Hunting animals remains a legitimate practice in your country. None of the legal activities I have mentioned requires the consent of the animal involved.

  5. Is masturbation (onanism) illegal in Uganda and punishable by a prison term? The punishment waged upon Onan in the Bible was death, afterall. So?

    Lynn,

    What a funny question to ask !!! Gayism is against African culture and traditions—that is why we insist it remain a criminal offence. I wonder who gave you the idea that our rejection of deviant sexuality is exclusively due to religious reasons? The rejection of gayism by Anglican prelates in Africa is as much a function of their religious belief as it is a function of their deep attachment to African culture.

    Ahhh – the pick and choose method of biblical reading.

  6. So you’re saying that African culture and traditions promote masturbation? Wow. Especially if a group of guys got together and masturbated themselves (while not touching another).

    Are you obtuse or what ?! Your line of reasoning defies logic. Please do not put words into my mouth.

    Well, I do know that the Roman Catholic Church says that governments should drop laws against homosexual behavior (it’s stated on the Vatican website)

    Though I am [nominally] Catholic, I don’t care what the Vatican website says and I am sure that most Ugandans and other Africans who are Catholics are not keen to have gayism legalized. If you doubt it then please visit an African nation and conduct a quick Vox Populi among local Catholics.

    That does not preclude gays and lesbians from seeking out their spirituality in another religion which affirms their lives and love.

    If you are so concerned about sex deviants then arrange visas for them to emigrate to the United States and join whatever religion they like. May I suggest the Episcopal Church of America, which in many ways constitutes a religion in its own right. You can even help the sex deviants like form their own gay religion. Who cares?

    and only your African culture and traditions can be to blame for the barbarity sought against people who seek find happiness in love with someone of the same sex.

    Thats your own subjective assessment of African culture. In Europe, many people think that Americans are barbarians for supporting and carrying out the death penalty with as much gusto as the Chinese and the Iranians. Any US fugitive who finds himself/herself in an EU nation will never be extradited to the United States if the death penalty is likely to applied after a court trial.

    There are several Africans who will declare Westerners to be barbarians for criminalizing as “bigamists” an adult man and 4 adult women who love each other and have decided to commit to a consensual polygamous marriage.

  7. Though I have my reservations about religious leaders, I can say that I am proud of the principled stand of these African Anglican Bishops against gayism in the face of overwhelming pressure from foreign imperialists who think that they own the copyright to the definition of human rights.

    If time is not taken, in another 50 years when the bestialists are able to convince Western governments to legalize beastiality or “zoosexuality”, then another paid up African face like Julie Pepe Oniezema will appear on a Voice of America-owned TV station to convince us that it is a “human right” to let them get down with their beloved dog or cat.

    I would imagine that the bestialists will argue that consent is no excuse to deny them their “sexual rights”, after all nobody asks animals for consent before they are killed for their meat, used in race courses for our entertainment and worked in our farms.

  8. So you’re saying that African culture and traditions promote masturbation? Wow. Especially if a group of guys got together and masturbated themselves (while not touching another).

    Well, I do know that the Roman Catholic Church says that governments should drop laws against homosexual behavior (it’s stated on the Vatican website). And if I remember correctly the Anglican church in Uganda had its problems with the bill. And then all that you are praising the bishops for is keeping homosexuality out of their church’s spiritual life. That does not preclude gays and lesbians from seeking out their spirituality in another religion which affirms their lives and love. So then religion is mostly against such criminalization and only your African culture and traditions can be to blame for the barbarity sought against people who seek find happiness in love with someone of the same sex. Ok…

  9. Maazi verges on crazy – its best to ignore him

    Thanks for the insult. If only the Euro-American Gay Lobby and their media/government allies can take your advice and ignore Africa and the Africans then there would be no need for all this exchange 🙂

  10. Maazi,

    That does not negate that there are animal cruelty laws for which a person may be punished.

  11. Actually, I thought Article 2 of the UNDHR said:

    Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status.

    I always wondered what other status could come to signify.

    Lynn,

    you may be able to convince activist judges in the highly politicized US Supreme Court that “other status” in UNDHR includes gay sex. But in most of Africa, judges are not known to be activist at all. Most simply interpret the law and refrain from legislating from the bench. Any sane person would understand that there is no way the drafters of UNDHR in 1948 would have conceived of sodomy or any other deviant sexual act as a human right.

  12. I’d say about 35 years and this whole discussion will be a mute [sic] point in Uganda.

    Yes, I agree completely with your comment above. Going by current trends, in 35 years, Uganda would be more conservative not less. She would be a major oil producer not dependent on Western blackmailers who threaten to withdraw useless donor aid unless we adopt their chaotic socially liberal lifestyles. In 35 years, the United States’ powerful influence in the world would have suffered a fatal blow from rising China, Russia, India and Brazil. In 35 years, this discussion would be redundant because the penal code on gayism would have been consolidated properly despite the predictable, but inconsequential protests in New York, San Francisco and Amsterdam. We have encountered and overpowered external resistance before—-in 2005 when we imposed a constitutional ban on “same-sex marriage”—- and we will do it again with the sodomy laws when our parliament is ready.

  13. Actually, I thought Article 2 of the UNDHR said:

    Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status.

    I always wondered what other status could come to signify.

    Lynn,

    you may be able to convince activist judges in the highly politicized US Supreme Court that “other status” in UNDHR includes gay sex. But in most of Africa, judges are not known to be activist at all. Most simply interpret the law and refrain from legislating from the bench. Any sane person would understand that there is no way the drafters of UNDHR in 1948 would have conceived of sodomy or any other deviant sexual act as a human right.

  14. I’d say about 35 years and this whole discussion will be a mute [sic] point in Uganda.

    Yes, I agree completely with your comment above. Going by current trends, in 35 years, Uganda would be more conservative not less. She would be a major oil producer not dependent on Western blackmailers who threaten to withdraw useless donor aid unless we adopt their chaotic socially liberal lifestyles. In 35 years, the United States’ powerful influence in the world would have suffered a fatal blow from rising China, Russia, India and Brazil. In 35 years, this discussion would be redundant because the penal code on gayism would have been consolidated properly despite the predictable, but inconsequential protests in New York, San Francisco and Amsterdam. We have encountered and overpowered external resistance before—-in 2005 when we imposed a constitutional ban on “same-sex marriage”—- and we will do it again with the sodomy laws when our parliament is ready.

  15. Thanks for telling me what I wanted to know, Maazi. I’d say about 35 years and this whole discussion will be a mute point in Uganda.

    Actually, I thought Article 2 of the UNDHR said:

    Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status.

    I always wondered what other status could come to signify.

  16. So the Ugandan Bill that criminalizes homosexuality is not about religion? It is about long standing culture?

    Mary,

    The Ugandan Bill does not criminalize gayism. Sexual deviance was a crime even before MP David Bahati was born. The bill merely aspires to consolidate existing penal laws on gayism. Culture, traditions and morality—to varying extents— do play a role in determining what is in the public interest. Passing the revised Bahati Bill (without the extreme penalties) into law is in the public interest.

  17. Thanks for telling me what I wanted to know, Maazi. I’d say about 35 years and this whole discussion will be a mute point in Uganda.

    Actually, I thought Article 2 of the UNDHR said:

    Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status.

    I always wondered what other status could come to signify.

  18. Maazi,

    So the Ugandian Bill that criminalizes homosexuality is not about religion? It is about long standing culture?

  19. But there are other god other than Jesus/Yahweh, what happens when a Ugandan wishes to follow one of those?

    And yet there you are seeking out polygamy when Jesus spoke in the singular form in Matthew’s gospel

    Are Christians the only people who worship God? Are you so ignorant that you do not realize that Uganda has religious minorities—- Muslims and Hindus—- who are free to practice their own faiths. Polygamy is legal because it is historically part of African culture.

    But then my point is your Ugandan motto is “for god and country.” And yet there you are seeking out polygamy when Jesus spoke in the singular form in Matthew’s gospel and you don’t want to criminalize other sins.”

    But you seem to be hit and miss with your laws with no real reasoning – Christian-wise

    You are not making any sense at all. Uganda is a secular state in the sense that there is no State-sanctioned religion. However, given the overwhelming number of its citizens who are religious devout, it is not hard to imagine why the secular government in Uganda needs to be sensitive to religious views. Despite the official policy of church and state separation in the US constitution, there are elements of Judeo-Christian beliefs in American laws and institutions. Even your dollar bills have the words— “In God We Trust”—printed on them. This does not mean America is a theocratic state.

    Similarly, the sensitivity of the Ugandan secular government to religious views is not an indicator that the country is a theocratic state ruled by the Ten Commandments or by provisions in the Bible. As elsewhere, laws in Uganda are fashioned in the public interest and in line with the internationally accepted UN Declaration of Human Rights (UNDHR) of 1948.

    Gay sex and gay marriage are not “rights” recognized UNDHR. [In fact, article 16 of UNDHR states that marriage is between a man and a woman without limitations due to race, religion and nationality]. Moreover, gayism violates African culture and is a potential public health hazard just like in most Western nations where its practitioners are banned from blood donation. For the all the reasons I have mentioned, this abhorrent sexual activity is banned in the public interest . If do not understand what “public interest” is, please carefully read my previous commentary on this blog .

  20. So the Ugandan Bill that criminalizes homosexuality is not about religion? It is about long standing culture?

    Mary,

    The Ugandan Bill does not criminalize gayism. Sexual deviance was a crime even before MP David Bahati was born. The bill merely aspires to consolidate existing penal laws on gayism. Culture, traditions and morality—to varying extents— do play a role in determining what is in the public interest. Passing the revised Bahati Bill (without the extreme penalties) into law is in the public interest.

  21. But there are other god other than Jesus/Yahweh, what happens when a Ugandan wishes to follow one of those?

    And yet there you are seeking out polygamy when Jesus spoke in the singular form in Matthew’s gospel

    Are Christians the only people who worship God? Are you so ignorant that you do not realize that Uganda has religious minorities—- Muslims and Hindus—- who are free to practice their own faiths. Polygamy is legal because it is historically part of African culture.

    But then my point is your Ugandan motto is “for god and country.” And yet there you are seeking out polygamy when Jesus spoke in the singular form in Matthew’s gospel and you don’t want to criminalize other sins.”

    But you seem to be hit and miss with your laws with no real reasoning – Christian-wise

    You are not making any sense at all. Uganda is a secular state in the sense that there is no State-sanctioned religion. However, given the overwhelming number of its citizens who are religious devout, it is not hard to imagine why the secular government in Uganda needs to be sensitive to religious views. Despite the official policy of church and state separation in the US constitution, there are elements of Judeo-Christian beliefs in American laws and institutions. Even your dollar bills have the words— “In God We Trust”—printed on them. This does not mean America is a theocratic state.

    Similarly, the sensitivity of the Ugandan secular government to religious views is not an indicator that the country is a theocratic state ruled by the Ten Commandments or by provisions in the Bible. As elsewhere, laws in Uganda are fashioned in the public interest and in line with the internationally accepted UN Declaration of Human Rights (UNDHR) of 1948.

    Gay sex and gay marriage are not “rights” recognized UNDHR. [In fact, article 16 of UNDHR states that marriage is between a man and a woman without limitations due to race, religion and nationality]. Moreover, gayism violates African culture and is a potential public health hazard just like in most Western nations where its practitioners are banned from blood donation. For the all the reasons I have mentioned, this abhorrent sexual activity is banned in the public interest . If do not understand what “public interest” is, please carefully read my previous commentary on this blog .

  22. From what I have read of the short version of the Uganda constitution (on the government website), it says more or less the same things, Maazi.

    Some modern polygamists in the US are bigamists because they sign a state contract (a marriage license) which states they will be truthful to that one wife. Entering into another contract stating the exact same thing is in effect breaking the first contract (there is a way around that – just don’t get married under any state law – do it by your religion if polygamy is allowed). Thus why I said all persons should be party to just one contract/license. Our government is wrong, however. Back in the 1800s when it forced the Mormons in Utah to do away with polygamy, that was unconstitutional as many a modern law scholar has admitted these days.

    But then my point is your Ugandan motto is “for god and country.” And yet there you are seeking out polygamy when Jesus spoke in the singular form in Matthew’s gospel and you don’t want to criminalize other sins.” But there are other god other than Jesus/Yahweh, what happens when a Ugandan wishes to follow one of those? But you seem to be hit and miss with your laws with no real reasoning – Christian-wise. Is sodomy in general (non-procreative heterosexual sex) a crime?

  23. Maazi verges on crazy – its best to ignore him

    He sees things differently but he is not crazy and deserves the same respect and engagement as others.

  24. From what I have read of the short version of the Uganda constitution (on the government website), it says more or less the same things, Maazi.

    Some modern polygamists in the US are bigamists because they sign a state contract (a marriage license) which states they will be truthful to that one wife. Entering into another contract stating the exact same thing is in effect breaking the first contract (there is a way around that – just don’t get married under any state law – do it by your religion if polygamy is allowed). Thus why I said all persons should be party to just one contract/license. Our government is wrong, however. Back in the 1800s when it forced the Mormons in Utah to do away with polygamy, that was unconstitutional as many a modern law scholar has admitted these days.

    But then my point is your Ugandan motto is “for god and country.” And yet there you are seeking out polygamy when Jesus spoke in the singular form in Matthew’s gospel and you don’t want to criminalize other sins.” But there are other god other than Jesus/Yahweh, what happens when a Ugandan wishes to follow one of those? But you seem to be hit and miss with your laws with no real reasoning – Christian-wise. Is sodomy in general (non-procreative heterosexual sex) a crime?

  25. Maazi verges on crazy – its best to ignore him

    Thanks for the insult. If only the Euro-American Gay Lobby and their media/government allies can take your advice and ignore Africa and the Africans then there would be no need for all this exchange 🙂

  26. Yep, it is. I base the idea that all should be allowe to seek out happiness in their life with a liberty that does not violate any other individual from our Declaration of Independence and US Constitution.

    Wake up, the world does not revolve round the United States. Uganda is not the 51st state of the United States so your Jeffersonian Constitution does not apply in our country.

    I have no problem with consensual polyamory and marriage as long as all persons are a parties to a single marriage contract. So then what’s wrong with one woman and three men? Or two women and two men? All adults, of course.

    Your government does have a problem with it and sends its law enforcement agents and justice officials after polygamists (also known as “bigamists”)

    And now you appear to be agreeing that masturbation is against your Africcan culture and tradition… so then why isn’t the sexual act of masturbation a criminal offense punishable by time in prison?

    Please reason like an adult not a child. Not every single bad behaviour can be criminalized, even the State wanted to. If a state did so, then law enforcement would be near impossible. Nations only criminalize certain abhorrent behaviour which it deems not to be in the public interest and that varies from place to place. In Netherlands, possession and selling of marijuana is not a crime because the local culture is extremely liberal on the subject. But in the more conservative United States, the possession or sale of narcotics is a crime. In Singapore—spitting on the pavements, dropping chewing gum on the streets, jay walking and spraying graffiti are criminal offences punished by flogging, jail time and community service. In the United States, you can jay-walk all you like and no policeman will arrest you for that. In the UK, you are eligible to drink alcohol when you turn 18. In the United States, you can join the the armed forces as a minor at the age of 17, but you cannot legally drink alcohol until you are 21. In spite of its libertarian pretensions, the US government invests a lot of time using its justice officials and law enforcement agents to chase down consenting polygamists for the crime of bigamy In most of Africa, gayism transgresses on the values of Africa’s communal societies which emphasizes the raising of families to perpetuate lineages/family trees. So it is criminalized in the public interest and no foreign libertarian ideology will reverse it.

  27. Maazi verges on crazy – its best to ignore him

    He sees things differently but he is not crazy and deserves the same respect and engagement as others.

  28. Yep, it is. I base the idea that all should be allowe to seek out happiness in their life with a liberty that does not violate any other individual from our Declaration of Independence and US Constitution.

    Wake up, the world does not revolve round the United States. Uganda is not the 51st state of the United States so your Jeffersonian Constitution does not apply in our country.

    I have no problem with consensual polyamory and marriage as long as all persons are a parties to a single marriage contract. So then what’s wrong with one woman and three men? Or two women and two men? All adults, of course.

    Your government does have a problem with it and sends its law enforcement agents and justice officials after polygamists (also known as “bigamists”)

    And now you appear to be agreeing that masturbation is against your Africcan culture and tradition… so then why isn’t the sexual act of masturbation a criminal offense punishable by time in prison?

    Please reason like an adult not a child. Not every single bad behaviour can be criminalized, even the State wanted to. If a state did so, then law enforcement would be near impossible. Nations only criminalize certain abhorrent behaviour which it deems not to be in the public interest and that varies from place to place. In Netherlands, possession and selling of marijuana is not a crime because the local culture is extremely liberal on the subject. But in the more conservative United States, the possession or sale of narcotics is a crime. In Singapore—spitting on the pavements, dropping chewing gum on the streets, jay walking and spraying graffiti are criminal offences punished by flogging, jail time and community service. In the United States, you can jay-walk all you like and no policeman will arrest you for that. In the UK, you are eligible to drink alcohol when you turn 18. In the United States, you can join the the armed forces as a minor at the age of 17, but you cannot legally drink alcohol until you are 21. In spite of its libertarian pretensions, the US government invests a lot of time using its justice officials and law enforcement agents to chase down consenting polygamists for the crime of bigamy In most of Africa, gayism transgresses on the values of Africa’s communal societies which emphasizes the raising of families to perpetuate lineages/family trees. So it is criminalized in the public interest and no foreign libertarian ideology will reverse it.

  29. Maazi…. There are several Africans who will declare Westerners to be barbarians for criminalizing as “bigamists” an adult man and 4 adult women who love each other and have decided to commit to a consensual polygamous marriage.

    I have no problem with consensual polyamory and marriage as long as all persons are a parties to a single marriage contract. So then what’s wrong with one woman and three men? Or two women and two men? All adults, of course.

  30. So you’re saying that African culture and traditions promote masturbation? Wow. Especially if a group of guys got together and masturbated themselves (while not touching another).

    Maazi….. Are you obtuse or what ?! Your line of reasoning defies logic. Please do not put words into my mouth.

    And yet you claimed that the reason homosexuality should be considered a criminal offense was only bearing on African culture and tradition NOT religion. And now you appear to be agreeing that masturbation is against your Africcan culture and tradition… so then why isn’t the sexual act of masturbation a criminal offense punishable by time in prison? You’re the one following the illogical line of thinking.

    Thats your own subjective assessment of African culture.

    Yep, it is. I base the idea that all should be allowe to seek out happiness in their life with a liberty that does not violate any other individual from our Declaration of Independence and US Constitution.

  31. Maazi,

    That does not negate that there are animal cruelty laws for which a person may be punished.

  32. So you’re saying that African culture and traditions promote masturbation? Wow. Especially if a group of guys got together and masturbated themselves (while not touching another).

    Are you obtuse or what ?! Your line of reasoning defies logic. Please do not put words into my mouth.

    Well, I do know that the Roman Catholic Church says that governments should drop laws against homosexual behavior (it’s stated on the Vatican website)

    Though I am [nominally] Catholic, I don’t care what the Vatican website says and I am sure that most Ugandans and other Africans who are Catholics are not keen to have gayism legalized. If you doubt it then please visit an African nation and conduct a quick Vox Populi among local Catholics.

    That does not preclude gays and lesbians from seeking out their spirituality in another religion which affirms their lives and love.

    If you are so concerned about sex deviants then arrange visas for them to emigrate to the United States and join whatever religion they like. May I suggest the Episcopal Church of America, which in many ways constitutes a religion in its own right. You can even help the sex deviants like form their own gay religion. Who cares?

    and only your African culture and traditions can be to blame for the barbarity sought against people who seek find happiness in love with someone of the same sex.

    Thats your own subjective assessment of African culture. In Europe, many people think that Americans are barbarians for supporting and carrying out the death penalty with as much gusto as the Chinese and the Iranians. Any US fugitive who finds himself/herself in an EU nation will never be extradited to the United States if the death penalty is likely to applied after a court trial.

    There are several Africans who will declare Westerners to be barbarians for criminalizing as “bigamists” an adult man and 4 adult women who love each other and have decided to commit to a consensual polygamous marriage.

  33. So you’re saying that African culture and traditions promote masturbation? Wow. Especially if a group of guys got together and masturbated themselves (while not touching another).

    Well, I do know that the Roman Catholic Church says that governments should drop laws against homosexual behavior (it’s stated on the Vatican website). And if I remember correctly the Anglican church in Uganda had its problems with the bill. And then all that you are praising the bishops for is keeping homosexuality out of their church’s spiritual life. That does not preclude gays and lesbians from seeking out their spirituality in another religion which affirms their lives and love. So then religion is mostly against such criminalization and only your African culture and traditions can be to blame for the barbarity sought against people who seek find happiness in love with someone of the same sex. Ok…

  34. Is masturbation (onanism) illegal in Uganda and punishable by a prison term? The punishment waged upon Onan in the Bible was death, afterall. So?

    Lynn,

    What a funny question to ask !!! Gayism is against African culture and traditions—that is why we insist it remain a criminal offence. I wonder who gave you the idea that our rejection of deviant sexuality is exclusively due to religious reasons? The rejection of gayism by Anglican prelates in Africa is as much a function of their religious belief as it is a function of their deep attachment to African culture.

    Ahhh – the pick and choose method of biblical reading.

  35. Is masturbation (onanism) illegal in Uganda and punishable by a prison term? The punishment waged upon Onan in the Bible was death, afterall. So?

    Lynn,

    What a funny question to ask !!! Gayism is against African culture and traditions—that is why we insist it remain a criminal offence. I wonder who gave you the idea that our rejection of deviant sexuality is exclusively due to religious reasons? The rejection of gayism by Anglican prelates in Africa is as much a function of their religious belief as it is a function of their deep attachment to African culture.

  36. Maazi…. There are several Africans who will declare Westerners to be barbarians for criminalizing as “bigamists” an adult man and 4 adult women who love each other and have decided to commit to a consensual polygamous marriage.

    I have no problem with consensual polyamory and marriage as long as all persons are a parties to a single marriage contract. So then what’s wrong with one woman and three men? Or two women and two men? All adults, of course.

  37. So you’re saying that African culture and traditions promote masturbation? Wow. Especially if a group of guys got together and masturbated themselves (while not touching another).

    Maazi….. Are you obtuse or what ?! Your line of reasoning defies logic. Please do not put words into my mouth.

    And yet you claimed that the reason homosexuality should be considered a criminal offense was only bearing on African culture and tradition NOT religion. And now you appear to be agreeing that masturbation is against your Africcan culture and tradition… so then why isn’t the sexual act of masturbation a criminal offense punishable by time in prison? You’re the one following the illogical line of thinking.

    Thats your own subjective assessment of African culture.

    Yep, it is. I base the idea that all should be allowe to seek out happiness in their life with a liberty that does not violate any other individual from our Declaration of Independence and US Constitution.

  38. Is masturbation (onanism) illegal in Uganda and punishable by a prison term? The punishment waged upon Onan in the Bible was death, afterall. So?

  39. Is masturbation (onanism) illegal in Uganda and punishable by a prison term? The punishment waged upon Onan in the Bible was death, afterall. So?

    Lynn,

    What a funny question to ask !!! Gayism is against African culture and traditions—that is why we insist it remain a criminal offence. I wonder who gave you the idea that our rejection of deviant sexuality is exclusively due to religious reasons? The rejection of gayism by Anglican prelates in Africa is as much a function of their religious belief as it is a function of their deep attachment to African culture.

  40. In most places of America there are animal rights laws on the books. Animal cruelty is punishable by time in jail and/or fine.

    Dear Mary,

    The last time I checked; riding a horse in racecourses or in a ranch was a widespread legal activity in the United States of America. On Thanksgiving Day, the dinner tables of most Americans are still graced with the cooked carcass of a turkey. Hunting animals remains a legitimate practice in your country. None of the legal activities I have mentioned requires the consent of the animal involved.

  41. after all nobody asks animals for consent before they are killed for their meat, used in race courses for our entertainment and worked in our farms

    In most places of America there are animal rights laws on the books. Animal cruelty is punishable by time in jail and/or fine.

  42. Though I have my reservations about religious leaders, I can say that I am proud of the principled stand of these African Anglican Bishops against gayism in the face of overwhelming pressure from foreign imperialists who think that they own the copyright to the definition of human rights.

    If time is not taken, in another 50 years when the bestialists are able to convince Western governments to legalize beastiality or “zoosexuality”, then another paid up African face like Julie Pepe Oniezema will appear on a Voice of America-owned TV station to convince us that it is a “human right” to let them get down with their beloved dog or cat.

    I would imagine that the bestialists will argue that consent is no excuse to deny them their “sexual rights”, after all nobody asks animals for consent before they are killed for their meat, used in race courses for our entertainment and worked in our farms.

  43. Oh…. so what you said about Bahati is basically all he said. Wasn’t that a cute run up the stairs? He doesn’t have that ‘air of detachment’ down yet though, he had to mug for the camera.

    Obviously, Rowan Williams doesn’t have the courage to speak out for basic human rights for gays and lesbians in Uganda. But he sure likes to speak about courage.

  44. Have you run across a transcript by any chance – for those of us who are ‘bandwidth-challenged?’

  45. Oh…. so what you said about Bahati is basically all he said. Wasn’t that a cute run up the stairs? He doesn’t have that ‘air of detachment’ down yet though, he had to mug for the camera.

    Obviously, Rowan Williams doesn’t have the courage to speak out for basic human rights for gays and lesbians in Uganda. But he sure likes to speak about courage.

  46. Have you run across a transcript by any chance – for those of us who are ‘bandwidth-challenged?’

Comments are closed.