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		<title>By: Lifesitenews article: An exercise in confirmation bias &#8212; Warren Throckmorton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lifesitenews article: An exercise in confirmation bias &#8212; Warren Throckmorton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 21:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] also claims to value client self-determination. I sent Mr. Hoffman a link to my recent post, “Is NARTH the next target?” which notes that Joseph Nicolosi says, on the NARTH website, that he provides gay affirmative [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] also claims to value client self-determination. I sent Mr. Hoffman a link to my recent post, “Is NARTH the next target?” which notes that Joseph Nicolosi says, on the NARTH website, that he provides gay affirmative [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Losing my religion? That&#8217;s news to me&#8230; &#8212; Warren Throckmorton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Losing my religion? That&#8217;s news to me&#8230; &#8212; Warren Throckmorton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 2: Is NARTH the next target for Peter LaBarbera? Since NARTH&#8217;s website also allows for client self-determination [...]</description>
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		<title>By: College Jay</title>
		<link>http://wthrockmorton.com/2010/03/11/is-narth-the-next-target/comment-page-1/#comment-245848</link>
		<dc:creator>College Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 15:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phelim, no one is saying that same-sex attracted people should just &quot;ignore&quot; their homosexual feelings in a marriage.  Again, you are being very black and white.  Are you saying that the only way to effectively deal with same-sex attraction from a conservative Christian point of view is to go the &quot;change&quot; route?

Also, I agree with Warren and Eddy.  Your tone is getting out of hand and, to be frank, it probably hurts your arguments more than anything else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phelim, no one is saying that same-sex attracted people should just &#8220;ignore&#8221; their homosexual feelings in a marriage.  Again, you are being very black and white.  Are you saying that the only way to effectively deal with same-sex attraction from a conservative Christian point of view is to go the &#8220;change&#8221; route?</p>
<p>Also, I agree with Warren and Eddy.  Your tone is getting out of hand and, to be frank, it probably hurts your arguments more than anything else.</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
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		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 21:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a matter of fact, Phelim, I &lt;em&gt;do &lt;/em&gt; live in the UK, although nowhere near you: I live up in the so-called barbarous north. What I said about the gay to straight conversion rate in Jeremy Marks’s ministry was, of course, my own paraphrase. His actual words, as reported (at the time when Courage UK changed direction) in both &lt;em&gt;The Pink Paper &lt;/em&gt; and &lt;em&gt;Christianity Today&lt;/em&gt;, were: “None of the people we’ve counselled have converted no matter how much effort and prayer they’ve put into it.”

I’ll be frank with you. I regard the homophobic environment in which I grew up as abusive. (Some might like to describe it by a “nicer” sounding word than homophobic, but I adhere to that statement no matter what word they prefer to use.) I can’t actually blame those responsible for it: the abuse was passive rather than active – that’s “just the way things were” then – and those who inflicted it didn’t realise what they were doing, still less to whom they were doing it, but it was still abuse. Fortunately, if there were any ex-gay ministries in the UK at that time, they had such a low profile that I was unaware of them – a piece of ignorance for which I cannot express my gratitude with any approach to adequacy; I certainly didn’t need that form of spiritual abuse piled on top of everything else. 

But I think that I had things easy compared to some people; I have to confess that I still occasionally find myself shedding tears when I hear some of my gay friends describing to me how their teenage years and early twenties were likewise stolen from them as a result of the homophobic ethos which was prevalent even until comparatively recently, and which led to years of psychological pain and self-destructive behaviour. I just thank God that all the ones whom I know have got through it in one piece and have achieved healthy self-acceptance.

Homophobic abuse during one’s youth is not unlike sexual abuse in childhood: like the latter, it is liable to have extremely damaging effects on the lives of those who are subjected to it, causing psychological injuries from which it can sometimes take many years to recover. There is fortunately, however, an effective balm which can heal the deep wounds caused by such abuse, as well as being thoroughly good and beautiful in itself – a loving gay relationship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a matter of fact, Phelim, I <em>do </em> live in the UK, although nowhere near you: I live up in the so-called barbarous north. What I said about the gay to straight conversion rate in Jeremy Marks’s ministry was, of course, my own paraphrase. His actual words, as reported (at the time when Courage UK changed direction) in both <em>The Pink Paper </em> and <em>Christianity Today</em>, were: “None of the people we’ve counselled have converted no matter how much effort and prayer they’ve put into it.”</p>
<p>I’ll be frank with you. I regard the homophobic environment in which I grew up as abusive. (Some might like to describe it by a “nicer” sounding word than homophobic, but I adhere to that statement no matter what word they prefer to use.) I can’t actually blame those responsible for it: the abuse was passive rather than active – that’s “just the way things were” then – and those who inflicted it didn’t realise what they were doing, still less to whom they were doing it, but it was still abuse. Fortunately, if there were any ex-gay ministries in the UK at that time, they had such a low profile that I was unaware of them – a piece of ignorance for which I cannot express my gratitude with any approach to adequacy; I certainly didn’t need that form of spiritual abuse piled on top of everything else. </p>
<p>But I think that I had things easy compared to some people; I have to confess that I still occasionally find myself shedding tears when I hear some of my gay friends describing to me how their teenage years and early twenties were likewise stolen from them as a result of the homophobic ethos which was prevalent even until comparatively recently, and which led to years of psychological pain and self-destructive behaviour. I just thank God that all the ones whom I know have got through it in one piece and have achieved healthy self-acceptance.</p>
<p>Homophobic abuse during one’s youth is not unlike sexual abuse in childhood: like the latter, it is liable to have extremely damaging effects on the lives of those who are subjected to it, causing psychological injuries from which it can sometimes take many years to recover. There is fortunately, however, an effective balm which can heal the deep wounds caused by such abuse, as well as being thoroughly good and beautiful in itself – a loving gay relationship.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Bussee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Bussee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More on Dr. Buxton and her work:

http://www.abhow.com/about/news_aboutus?search_string=amity&amp;categories=&amp;search=Go&amp;id=64161</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More on Dr. Buxton and her work:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.abhow.com/about/news_aboutus?search_string=amity&#038;categories=&#038;search=Go&#038;id=64161" rel="nofollow">http://www.abhow.com/about/news_aboutus?search_string=amity&#038;categories=&#038;search=Go&#038;id=64161</a></p>
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		<title>By: Warren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phelim - Your style is offensive. I am asking you to comment without criticizing character or assuming the motives of others if you want to continue. 

I gave you honest answers. 

Regarding Miller, yes I know more than what I read in the Independent. I am not able to go into how I know but I do. That is vague I know, and I doubt you will believe it but I am not speaking out of school. Because of the situation, I have to be vague. Even so, I never said he was egotistical or a heretic or attacked his honesty or his character. You on the other hand have done so. Again, if you really want to discuss matters in a civil manner, then you may continue posting, if not, then I will not allow it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phelim &#8211; Your style is offensive. I am asking you to comment without criticizing character or assuming the motives of others if you want to continue. </p>
<p>I gave you honest answers. </p>
<p>Regarding Miller, yes I know more than what I read in the Independent. I am not able to go into how I know but I do. That is vague I know, and I doubt you will believe it but I am not speaking out of school. Because of the situation, I have to be vague. Even so, I never said he was egotistical or a heretic or attacked his honesty or his character. You on the other hand have done so. Again, if you really want to discuss matters in a civil manner, then you may continue posting, if not, then I will not allow it.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Bussee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Bussee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had an opportunity last weekend to meet this remarkable woman and to hear her experience as the wife of a gay man.   She has written a book about it.

 &quot;This valuable source of information for spouses, families, and professionals is based on Dr. Buxton&#039;s eight years of research, including interviews with 1,000 straight spouses and children, her own personal experience, and her counseling work with spouses of gay, lesbian and bisexual partners.&quot;

http://www.straightspouse.org/theother.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had an opportunity last weekend to meet this remarkable woman and to hear her experience as the wife of a gay man.   She has written a book about it.</p>
<p> &#8220;This valuable source of information for spouses, families, and professionals is based on Dr. Buxton&#8217;s eight years of research, including interviews with 1,000 straight spouses and children, her own personal experience, and her counseling work with spouses of gay, lesbian and bisexual partners.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.straightspouse.org/theother.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.straightspouse.org/theother.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michael Bussee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Bussee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some mixed orientation marriages seem to be happy and some are not -- due to the lack of sexual intimacy.  Some manage to work it out, others cannot.   Emotional, spiritual, romantic &lt;em&gt;and &lt;/em&gt;sexual intimacy between two persons?  The whole thing?  Something wonderful.  Something God intended, I believe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some mixed orientation marriages seem to be happy and some are not &#8212; due to the lack of sexual intimacy.  Some manage to work it out, others cannot.   Emotional, spiritual, romantic <em>and </em>sexual intimacy between two persons?  The whole thing?  Something wonderful.  Something God intended, I believe.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And, while there may be some barriers in the heterosexual bedroom, there can also be benefits to the marriage that shouldn’t be overlooked. Some appreciate a spouse who ‘doesn’t already know it all’; some learn to appreciate the emotional and conversational intimacy aspects more than focussing on the sexual. Some women have maintained that they appreciate having a transparent partner who understands those other aspects of intimacy…it seems it’s an area where many straight men are a bit deficient. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Eddy,

I appreciate these wise words and know they apply to many couples from all walks of life and experiences.  At the end of the day (yes, I know it is an overrated phrase), emotional and conversational intimacy trumps everything - it is the glue that holds everything else together.  It is sexy with or without sex.  Without emotional intimacy, the relationship is shallow - with it, the foundation is set for anything else that might be built from it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And, while there may be some barriers in the heterosexual bedroom, there can also be benefits to the marriage that shouldn’t be overlooked. Some appreciate a spouse who ‘doesn’t already know it all’; some learn to appreciate the emotional and conversational intimacy aspects more than focussing on the sexual. Some women have maintained that they appreciate having a transparent partner who understands those other aspects of intimacy…it seems it’s an area where many straight men are a bit deficient. </p></blockquote>
<p>Eddy,</p>
<p>I appreciate these wise words and know they apply to many couples from all walks of life and experiences.  At the end of the day (yes, I know it is an overrated phrase), emotional and conversational intimacy trumps everything &#8211; it is the glue that holds everything else together.  It is sexy with or without sex.  Without emotional intimacy, the relationship is shallow &#8211; with it, the foundation is set for anything else that might be built from it.</p>
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		<title>By: Eddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 17:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given that I specifically said that I just wanted to add those clarifications(as add-ons to what you said) rather than have them stand as a rebuttal, I have a bit of a problem with your &#039;attitude&#039;. You&#039;ve taken a confrontive stance with Warren and, now, a sarcastic tone with me. Good luck with that. 

BTW, you want to be appear educated and credentialled, however you accuse Warren of  hating people when I know that not to be true. He disagrees with and disapproves of the methods of a few but, if you are incapable of distinguishing that from hate, you&#039;ve got a perceptional bias. And the word is hypocrisy not hypocracy and it&#039;s two &lt;em&gt;sides&lt;/em&gt; of the same coin not two signs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given that I specifically said that I just wanted to add those clarifications(as add-ons to what you said) rather than have them stand as a rebuttal, I have a bit of a problem with your &#8216;attitude&#8217;. You&#8217;ve taken a confrontive stance with Warren and, now, a sarcastic tone with me. Good luck with that. </p>
<p>BTW, you want to be appear educated and credentialled, however you accuse Warren of  hating people when I know that not to be true. He disagrees with and disapproves of the methods of a few but, if you are incapable of distinguishing that from hate, you&#8217;ve got a perceptional bias. And the word is hypocrisy not hypocracy and it&#8217;s two <em>sides</em> of the same coin not two signs.</p>
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