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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 19:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She was asked for an honest opinion and she gave it . Now she is being tore down , ridiculed and humiliated for it . Gotta love the human race , makes me proud .</description>
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		<title>By: Carrie Prejean&#8217;s Miss Cali fate decided today; Dobson speculates she will lose crown &#8212; Warren Throckmorton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carrie Prejean&#8217;s Miss Cali fate decided today; Dobson speculates she will lose crown &#8212; Warren Throckmorton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 14:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] prior to the broadcast, Dobson mentioned the semi-nude picture of Prejean at age 17. That picture surfaced since the interviews were recorded. About that photo, he said,  We [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jayhuck</title>
		<link>http://wthrockmorton.com/2009/05/05/carrie-prejean-defends-photos/comment-page-2/#comment-186235</link>
		<dc:creator>Jayhuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 23:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eddy,

&lt;blockquote&gt;Rather than address this discrepancy that I brought to your attention from your comments to me (I suspect that your first comment was total sarcasm but it is improper blog etiquette to assume that a person’s words mean the opposite of what they actually say…so I pointed out in the above paragraph that the two posts were contradictory (hence leading to a convoluted dialog). Rather than address that I was clearly referring to two back ot back posts from you, you counter me with the notion that ‘it was only one sentence’. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

If you had read one post above this one that you found problems with, you would have seen I did indeed address the discrepancy!  I stated very clearly that it was Maggie I was talking about.   I hope we can put this issue to rest now</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eddy,</p>
<blockquote><p>Rather than address this discrepancy that I brought to your attention from your comments to me (I suspect that your first comment was total sarcasm but it is improper blog etiquette to assume that a person’s words mean the opposite of what they actually say…so I pointed out in the above paragraph that the two posts were contradictory (hence leading to a convoluted dialog). Rather than address that I was clearly referring to two back ot back posts from you, you counter me with the notion that ‘it was only one sentence’. </p></blockquote>
<p>If you had read one post above this one that you found problems with, you would have seen I did indeed address the discrepancy!  I stated very clearly that it was Maggie I was talking about.   I hope we can put this issue to rest now</p>
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		<title>By: Carrie Prejean has second thoughts about recent Blisss Magazine pic &#8212; Warren Throckmorton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carrie Prejean has second thoughts about recent Blisss Magazine pic &#8212; Warren Throckmorton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 12:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the heals of defending revealing photos as part of the job of a model, Carrie Prejean has had second thoughts about a recent photo [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Eddy</title>
		<link>http://wthrockmorton.com/2009/05/05/carrie-prejean-defends-photos/comment-page-2/#comment-186134</link>
		<dc:creator>Eddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 05:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Timothy. I&#039;ve just completed a cross-country move...purging 30 years of my life in Minnesota to move back to my family. I was pretty much out of touch with the news for the past two months. For the last few weeks, I didn&#039;t even have a television (LOL. or a toaster, microwave, stereo...) So, all of my comments and/or questions on this matter were limited by what I was gleaning from the main blog, the comments and any links therein. 

From what you&#039;ve just revealed, I do believe she deserves to feel the heat of public scrutiny and/or criticism for the double-standards she embodies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Timothy. I&#8217;ve just completed a cross-country move&#8230;purging 30 years of my life in Minnesota to move back to my family. I was pretty much out of touch with the news for the past two months. For the last few weeks, I didn&#8217;t even have a television (LOL. or a toaster, microwave, stereo&#8230;) So, all of my comments and/or questions on this matter were limited by what I was gleaning from the main blog, the comments and any links therein. </p>
<p>From what you&#8217;ve just revealed, I do believe she deserves to feel the heat of public scrutiny and/or criticism for the double-standards she embodies.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 04:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Someone who wants to tell me how to live but who isn’t willing to live that way themself.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yep - couldn&#039;t be more accurate.  Before I was a Christian that was the biggest turn  off.  It still is the biggest turn off.  

Okay - back to focusing on my own log.   What a mess to clean up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Someone who wants to tell me how to live but who isn’t willing to live that way themself.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yep &#8211; couldn&#8217;t be more accurate.  Before I was a Christian that was the biggest turn  off.  It still is the biggest turn off.  </p>
<p>Okay &#8211; back to focusing on my own log.   What a mess to clean up.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 01:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahhh

I thought you were talking about the longer discussion about perceptions in which I suggested that she was presented as such.

This bit of verbal shorthand may have confused you about my intent so I&#039;ll change the wording:

Yep. After she 

1) said that she supported &quot;Biblical correctess&quot; rather than political correctness, and 
2) appeared for five services at her church where she said she &quot;stayed true to her beliefs&quot; which were &quot;how she was brought up to believe&quot; and where she and her pastor referenced  2 Timothy 3:12-13 - “In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, while evil men and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived.&quot; thereby implying that she was living a godly life, and
3) held a press conference to promote the National Organization for Marriage ad which starred her, and 
4) announced to the press that she&#039;d tell Perez Hilton that he needs Jesus, and
5) went on numerious news shows wherein she was presented - without objection or correction - as an example of a young woman willing to give up her dream to live out her faith, and
6) promised to defend marriage however she could
her behavior is fair game. Her parents are not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahhh</p>
<p>I thought you were talking about the longer discussion about perceptions in which I suggested that she was presented as such.</p>
<p>This bit of verbal shorthand may have confused you about my intent so I&#8217;ll change the wording:</p>
<p>Yep. After she </p>
<p>1) said that she supported &#8220;Biblical correctess&#8221; rather than political correctness, and<br />
2) appeared for five services at her church where she said she &#8220;stayed true to her beliefs&#8221; which were &#8220;how she was brought up to believe&#8221; and where she and her pastor referenced  2 Timothy 3:12-13 &#8211; “In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, while evil men and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived.&#8221; thereby implying that she was living a godly life, and<br />
3) held a press conference to promote the National Organization for Marriage ad which starred her, and<br />
4) announced to the press that she&#8217;d tell Perez Hilton that he needs Jesus, and<br />
5) went on numerious news shows wherein she was presented &#8211; without objection or correction &#8211; as an example of a young woman willing to give up her dream to live out her faith, and<br />
6) promised to defend marriage however she could<br />
her behavior is fair game. Her parents are not.</p>
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		<title>By: Eddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 00:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timothy--
I read it again. Here it is in it&#039;s entirety:

&lt;&lt;blockquote&gt;em&gt;Yep. After she set herself up as a defender of virtue, her behavior is fair game. Her parents are not.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Content: She set herself up as a defender of virtue therefore her behavior is fair game. Her parents did not set themselves up as defenders of virtue therefore they are not. 

(Observations: If it&#039;s the pageant answer, she didn&#039;t set herself up, her questioner did. And she only spoke honestly to her political viewpoint on the question. To my knowledge, she didn&#039;t elaborate; she didn&#039;t bring the issue of moral or immoral into the answer. When people hear things that aren&#039;t really said, it always gives me pause.) 

I went back to the original post before commenting to see if there were any clues that Miss Prejean was indeed doing anything that could be construed as being a &#039;defender of virtue&#039; and I found nothing. 1) She answered the question during the pageant. 2) She made the public statement that is the subject of this post. 3) Info about her volunteer work was also included. 

I was clueless about Maggie and now I wonder if there&#039;s a part of Miss Prejean&#039;s story that I&#039;m missing. If she has been &#039;defending virtue&#039;, then she deserves all the heat she&#039;s getting and then some. But, if it&#039;s her answer during the pageant that&#039;s  viewed by you and others as her being a &#039;defender of virtue&#039;, that speaks to your own bias and propensity for hyperbolic rhetoric. (Characterizing her as a &#039;defender of virtue&#039; justifies the ongoing attacks against her...it makes &#039;hypocrite&#039; ring true.)

My first entanglement in this discussion was after Brady made the global statement that the Christian right was calling foul and playing the victim card. Duh, Maggie said that the abuse that Carrie Prejean has been receiving is astonishing. I&#039;m trying to stick with the facts and avoid the spin and value-charged word choices that are being used to advance a political cause at the expense of Miss Prejean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timothy&#8211;<br />
I read it again. Here it is in it&#8217;s entirety:</p>
<p>&lt;<br />
<blockquote>em&gt;Yep. After she set herself up as a defender of virtue, her behavior is fair game. Her parents are not.</p></blockquote>
<p>Content: She set herself up as a defender of virtue therefore her behavior is fair game. Her parents did not set themselves up as defenders of virtue therefore they are not. </p>
<p>(Observations: If it&#8217;s the pageant answer, she didn&#8217;t set herself up, her questioner did. And she only spoke honestly to her political viewpoint on the question. To my knowledge, she didn&#8217;t elaborate; she didn&#8217;t bring the issue of moral or immoral into the answer. When people hear things that aren&#8217;t really said, it always gives me pause.) </p>
<p>I went back to the original post before commenting to see if there were any clues that Miss Prejean was indeed doing anything that could be construed as being a &#8216;defender of virtue&#8217; and I found nothing. 1) She answered the question during the pageant. 2) She made the public statement that is the subject of this post. 3) Info about her volunteer work was also included. </p>
<p>I was clueless about Maggie and now I wonder if there&#8217;s a part of Miss Prejean&#8217;s story that I&#8217;m missing. If she has been &#8216;defending virtue&#8217;, then she deserves all the heat she&#8217;s getting and then some. But, if it&#8217;s her answer during the pageant that&#8217;s  viewed by you and others as her being a &#8216;defender of virtue&#8217;, that speaks to your own bias and propensity for hyperbolic rhetoric. (Characterizing her as a &#8216;defender of virtue&#8217; justifies the ongoing attacks against her&#8230;it makes &#8216;hypocrite&#8217; ring true.)</p>
<p>My first entanglement in this discussion was after Brady made the global statement that the Christian right was calling foul and playing the victim card. Duh, Maggie said that the abuse that Carrie Prejean has been receiving is astonishing. I&#8217;m trying to stick with the facts and avoid the spin and value-charged word choices that are being used to advance a political cause at the expense of Miss Prejean.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 23:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, how about those Lakers last night?  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, how about those Lakers last night?  <img src='http://wthrockmorton.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 23:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eddy,

Go back and read what I said again.  This time read for the content, not to find something to argue with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eddy,</p>
<p>Go back and read what I said again.  This time read for the content, not to find something to argue with.</p>
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