Comments on: Multiple pathways to sexual orientation, Part 3

By: Thoughts on the status of the Reorientation Wars — Warren Throckmorton

Thoughts on the status of the Reorientation Wars — Warren Throckmorton — Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:17:22 +0000

[...] I doubt the APA would dispute the health status data for another reason: greater group pathology does not mean inherent disorder. The APA’s position is not that gays have equal health outcomes but rather that the unequal health outcomes do not imply inherent pathology – that SSA is not inherently the result of pathological development. This is of course in great contrast to the reparative therapists. Joseph Nicolosi says that the only way you get SSA is to traumatize a child. [...]

By: Debbie Thurman

Debbie Thurman — Wed, 06 May 2009 15:47:28 +0000

This is very sad because that also would not permit God to have an opportunity to deal with it nor to let that unborn person have a life full of all kinds of joys and sorrows and experiences and choices; not to trust and let things “run their course”, whatever that future might be. Reminds me of the old saying “Be careful what you ask for”. So I am asking God that the knowledge remains hidden with God.

What he said.

By: PianoManKugie

PianoManKugie — Wed, 06 May 2009 14:12:39 +0000

Identifying causes would lead some to rejoice, others to grieve, others to say it’s a fallen world and we deal with it, etc. I think the greatest evil that might come of the knowledge would be parents deciding to kill their unborn child out of either fear of the future or a desire to avoid having to deal with it, feeling that they know in advance that what’s best for the unborn is no chance at life. This is very sad because that also would not permit God to have an opportunity to deal with it nor to let that unborn person have a life full of all kinds of joys and sorrows and experiences and choices; not to trust and let things “run their course”, whatever that future might be. Reminds me of the old saying “Be careful what you ask for”. So I am asking God that the knowledge remains hidden with God.

By: Richard Cronin

Richard Cronin — Wed, 06 May 2009 13:59:35 +0000

Hi Warren n co.

Have a question to put to ye all, mostly warren but i have a feeling the rest might want to reply as well This is more of a whim than anything but i would be deeply interested in the replies. Its a what if scenario question.

What if they do produce science that is both reproducible and explains and predicts homosexuality. An unlikely event in my opinion but what if did happen?
If you take the time to answer i would like you to frame the answer in the following way

If they proved that it was multi-pathed i.e. pre-natal with events after birth either triggering it or whatever

If they proved it was somehow pre-natal be that genetic, hormonal etc

If they proved it was envoiromental i.e. parent issues, abuse.

And also in your answers how would you expect the general world to act, exodus et al to act and Gay people to act.

Enjoy!

By: Jayhuck

Jayhuck — Sun, 03 May 2009 07:06:08 +0000

A great deal of that sounds like something I’ve always believed – which is that, as you said Warren, the negative reaction of SOME parents to gay children did not cause them to be gay – rather it was a reaction to the reality of their orientation.

By: Debbie Thurman

Debbie Thurman — Sat, 02 May 2009 11:37:24 +0000

I’m thinking part of the definition of “healing” is removing the old child tapes from the replay mind machine and instead replacing them with new tapes made by the adult me. Like living in the present “now” instead of in the past “then”.

Or being “transformed by the renewing of your mind” so that you can “put away childish things,” to put it biblically.

By: Lynn David

Lynn David — Sat, 02 May 2009 05:57:26 +0000

I guess Satinover would say that the father issues (for men) would only work with a child who is predisposed towards some certain attributes such as one who is shy or sensitive. Something like having a Charlie Brown complex. Not sure if it can work that way, though….

By: PianoManKugie

PianoManKugie — Sat, 02 May 2009 05:28:51 +0000

This concept about concurrent happenings without one being causative of the other is quite interesting. And it seems to make a lot of sense. For example, in the world of me and my peers, I felt rejected but I did quite a bit of rejecting myself. I can’t say either one caused the other. But I could say they fed on and reinforced each other. I could have felt like a misfit long before other people noticed it, or they could have noticed it first before I did. So in the end, what does it matter what happened first or what caused what or what fed on what or escalated or reinforced what? What they said caused me to exhibit a response (which I wouldn’t have manifested otherwise), or, I was already being aloof and isolating and they felt I was rejecting them and so they responded verbally with name calling and teasing? What does it matter which came first? “It was what it was”. Perhaps acceptance (not approval, not tolerance, not self-condemnation, not unending analysis) is part of the healthiest response of letting go and moving on. I’m thinking part of the definition of “healing” is removing the old child tapes from the replay mind machine and instead replacing them with new tapes made by the adult me. Like living in the present “now” instead of in the past “then”.

By: Debbie Thurman

Debbie Thurman — Fri, 01 May 2009 21:46:27 +0000

For the record, my husband has a deep father wound, and has never had any SSA issues. Same for my brothers. I, being somewhat gender nonconforming as a child (and molested at the age of 8, as I have previously mentioned) did face some stinging statements and attitudes from my mom, and even one (false) accusation as a teen of being in a lesbian relationship.

My first husband also was accused of being gay by his father, yet he was not. My deeper wounds were caused by my father. To what extent did healing the relationships with both my parents help me in overcoming my SSA? I can’t say, but I do believe the process helped.

I am told I referred to myself as a boy from the time I was about 4, although I don’t remember it. I just remember feeling like one.