Homosexuality (a behavior) has become gay (an identity). The problem remains that no one can confirm its source and it is unstable. So gaydom is unique in its minority status, unlike blacks or other racial minorities who are born, live and die as unchangeable minorities.

Debbie,

Don’t you ever tire of making bold – but false – statements?

Homosexuality is not a behavior. It is an orientation. Or, if you don’t like that word, then homosexuality is the experience of romantic, sexual, and affectional attraction to the same sex. A person who never ever engages in sexual behavior with another living soul can still experience homosexuality.

You know this. It isn’t a mystery. Nor have you not been informed.

Sexuality is not “unstable” for the overwhelming population. Nor is sexual, romantic and affectional attraction mutable for most gays or most straights.

It’s pointless arguing over those small percentages of highly motivated, deeply religious, strongly anti-gay same-sex attracted persons who claim to have experienced change in their attractions. One could as easily argue over Lena Horn or Michael Jackson. For heaven sake, I’m never sure if Lil Kim will show up on Dancing with the Stars as a white girl or a black girl from week to week.

Nonetheless, it is irrefutable that MOST gay people who try “change” therapy do not experience change and that it is only a very small percentage of persons who even think they have enough of a chance to “change” to even try.

There is no question that many – if not all – same-sex attracted persons experience their attractions so early in their life as to have been “born with” it, whether the actual onset was pre or post-natal. And these persons will continue to experience their attractions as directed towards the same-sex until the day they die.

To say that it is “unstable” is a contrary to what you know to be factual for the vast majority.

Rather than make baseless statements that you know are contrary to fact, why not contribute to the conversation with honesty and integrity?

I would venture to say that there is more in common between people with SSA and OSA than not.

Yes. And it is beyond question that left-handed people have more in common with right-handed people than not.

Until they reach for the scissors.

It’s funny that gays are always pushing for the “we are different angle” (genetically, biologically etc…) and then compare themselves to black people who campaigned to be seen as just another human being. I doubt gays are really that different – as you say. I’m sorry but I see sexuality as a social contruct – both heterosexuality and homosexuality.

Oh, I’m sure you do see sexuality as a social construct. It fits your worldview. You don’t need to be sorry; I have no desire to change your “seeing”.

– Gaydar doesn’t always work – by a long shot. I know this from experience
– ALL minorities are aware of differences between themselves and others and most minorities celebrate their differences while at the same time ask to be treated as equals.
– Why does a segment of straight people flaunt outrageous behaviors and affectations?
– Most gays blend in well – you probably don’t even see the majority of them.
– I could say that some differences within the straight community are very significant too.
– many blacks, and other minorities have lived successfully as Caucasian, and when you speak of “change”, know that that word is fraught with misunderstanding when it comes to gays, ex-gays and ex-ex-gays. No one can seem to adequately define it and everyone seems to have their own definition.

Go back and re-read what I wrote.

I’ve never seen gay people tout the we-are-different banner! In housing, in marriage, in work, all they ask for is to be seen as equals, with the same rights and privileges. The same thing black people and other minorities ask for.

I would venture to say that there is more in common between people with SSA and OSA than not. It’s funny that gays are always pushing for the “we are different angle” (genetically, biologically etc…) and then compare themselves to black people who campaigned to be seen as just another human being. I doubt gays are really that different – as you say. I’m sorry but I see sexuality as a social contruct – both heterosexuality and homosexuality.

Perhaps the better question is, why do YOU think that gay-affirmative is extreme?

We’ve been over this issue: Narth is the product of APA’s gay-affirmative stance, one extreme creating the other.

I find it interesting, although not very surprising, that you view the APA’s stance as extreme. I don’t see their stance that way at all. In what way is the APA extreme?