Comments on: Day of the Golden Rule? http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/03/14/day-of-the-golden-rule/ A College Psychology Professor's Observations About Public Policy, Mental Health, Sexual Identity, and Religious Issues Wed, 23 May 2012 17:12:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Michelle Krabill http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/03/14/day-of-the-golden-rule/comment-page-3/#comment-450645 Michelle Krabill Fri, 06 Apr 2012 19:08:41 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/03/14/day-of-the-golden-rule/#comment-450645 I thought you might appreciate my post. I tagged you in it. http://wordofawoman.com/2012/04/06/why-do-christians-curse-the-silence/ I thought you might appreciate my post. I tagged you in it.
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]]> By: Why Do Christians Curse the Silence? « word of a woman http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/03/14/day-of-the-golden-rule/comment-page-3/#comment-450643 Why Do Christians Curse the Silence? « word of a woman Fri, 06 Apr 2012 19:00:42 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/03/14/day-of-the-golden-rule/#comment-450643 [...] of the Golden Rule (This one I like) – Solution proposed by Warren Throckmorton and Michael Frey, I co-founded a bullying prevention initiative called the Golden Rule Pledge. We [...] [...] of the Golden Rule (This one I like) – Solution proposed by Warren Throckmorton and Michael Frey, I co-founded a bullying prevention initiative called the Golden Rule Pledge. We [...]

]]> By: Must Be Spring, Day of Silence Derangement Syndrome is Breaking Out — Warren Throckmorton http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/03/14/day-of-the-golden-rule/comment-page-3/#comment-446669 Must Be Spring, Day of Silence Derangement Syndrome is Breaking Out — Warren Throckmorton Thu, 22 Mar 2012 12:49:58 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/03/14/day-of-the-golden-rule/#comment-446669 [...] 2008, some Christian right organizations called on parents to keep their kids home on the Day of Silence. This is happening again this [...] [...] 2008, some Christian right organizations called on parents to keep their kids home on the Day of Silence. This is happening again this [...]

]]> By: Golden Rule Pledge Partners with Pacer Center’s National Bullying Prevention Month : Golden Rule Pledge http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/03/14/day-of-the-golden-rule/comment-page-3/#comment-387870 Golden Rule Pledge Partners with Pacer Center’s National Bullying Prevention Month : Golden Rule Pledge Tue, 27 Sep 2011 16:31:55 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/03/14/day-of-the-golden-rule/#comment-387870 [...] started the GRP in 2008 in response to a call from some Christian groups  urging parents to keep their kids home on the [...] [...] started the GRP in 2008 in response to a call from some Christian groups  urging parents to keep their kids home on the [...]

]]> By: Golden Rule Pledge Partners with Pacer Center’s National Bullying Prevention Month — Warren Throckmorton http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/03/14/day-of-the-golden-rule/comment-page-3/#comment-387845 Golden Rule Pledge Partners with Pacer Center’s National Bullying Prevention Month — Warren Throckmorton Tue, 27 Sep 2011 14:57:16 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/03/14/day-of-the-golden-rule/#comment-387845 [...] started the GRP in 2008 in response to a call from some Christian groups  urging parents to keep their kids home on the [...] [...] started the GRP in 2008 in response to a call from some Christian groups  urging parents to keep their kids home on the [...]

]]> By: Some responses to the Golden Rule pledge http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/03/14/day-of-the-golden-rule/comment-page-3/#comment-98810 Some responses to the Golden Rule pledge Wed, 23 Apr 2008 21:12:09 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/03/14/day-of-the-golden-rule/#comment-98810 [...] suggested on my blog that perhaps parents and students should consider pledging the Golden Rule on the upcoming Day of [...] [...] suggested on my blog that perhaps parents and students should consider pledging the Golden Rule on the upcoming Day of [...]

]]> By: Some responses to the Golden Rule pledge — Warren Throckmorton http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/03/14/day-of-the-golden-rule/comment-page-3/#comment-97851 Some responses to the Golden Rule pledge — Warren Throckmorton Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:12:09 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/03/14/day-of-the-golden-rule/#comment-97851 [...] suggested on this blog that perhaps parents and students should consider pledging the Golden Rule on the upcoming Day of [...] [...] suggested on this blog that perhaps parents and students should consider pledging the Golden Rule on the upcoming Day of [...]

]]> By: Regan DuCasse http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/03/14/day-of-the-golden-rule/comment-page-3/#comment-94559 Regan DuCasse Wed, 26 Mar 2008 21:59:59 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/03/14/day-of-the-golden-rule/#comment-94559 Alrighty, my bad.... Alrighty, my bad….

]]> By: Mary http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/03/14/day-of-the-golden-rule/comment-page-3/#comment-94524 Mary Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:57:48 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/03/14/day-of-the-golden-rule/#comment-94524 Calrification - I did not say I was Jewish and converted to Christianity. Calrification – I did not say I was Jewish and converted to Christianity.

]]> By: Regan DuCasse http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/03/14/day-of-the-golden-rule/comment-page-3/#comment-94408 Regan DuCasse Wed, 26 Mar 2008 02:26:45 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/03/14/day-of-the-golden-rule/#comment-94408 Hello Jayhuck. I appreciate you trying to mediate here. But most ex gays DO define their conversion AS going from gay to straight. Or from having gay sex to not having sex at all. And the lines around what that really means get extremely blurred and it seems the hope is no one will probe enough to know what's really going on. Mary, if I remember was Jewish. And is now Christian. The ramifications for changing RELIGIONS doesn't have the consequences that declaring oneself now heterosexual does. The definitions, are ambiguous, making my point that the general public is badly confused by this and gay young people pay a terrible price for this confusion. How can one actually qualify an ex gay? Marriage to the opposite sex? Gay people do that all the time. How one dresses, speaks, what sports they play or their social network, the profession they are in? No one dare ask the quality of sex they are having or if it's all they wanted and expected it to be. Which is actually the very thing no one WILL probe in polite society. So we sit around here and try and make nice, and meanwhile, as I said...the mutability of one's sexual orientation is ARGUED in courts as a justification for discriminatory laws. The bottom line: what kind of mind is it, that believes giving a broken toy to a needy child is still an act of supreme charity and goodness? Ex gays who would LIKE for straight people to be nice to gay people don't seem to get that CONVERTING gay people IS an act of charity. The poor, struggling gay person is redeemed and better off being heterosexual. Ex gays are people trying to hand off something THEY no longer want, and in doing so, cannot defend. And gay people have a terrible time defending who THEY are. Which makes ex gays (who are legally and institutionally free and are no longer burdened by being gay anymore) look self serving. The intentions of charity and protectiveness towards gay people looks like lip service, because the RESULTS of their conversion does damage. And being in denial of the damage done to gay credibility is and could be unforgivable. There are enough ex gays out there definitely hostile to gay people. And whatever charity or advocacy Mary and Warren espouse, as I'm saying for the nth time, is rendered WORTHLESS by their assertions of conversion. Period. And as for some charity being better than nothing, I also said that their charitable goals are NOT ENOUGH to counter the beliefs and confusion out there. There is such a thing as a person blundering with the best of intentions and screwing up royally instead. And it makes me angry when someone won't accept just how badly they ARE screwing up. Hello Jayhuck.
I appreciate you trying to mediate here. But most ex gays DO define their conversion AS going from gay to straight. Or from having gay sex to not having sex at all. And the lines around what that really means get extremely blurred and it seems the hope is no one will probe enough to know what’s really going on.
Mary, if I remember was Jewish. And is now Christian. The ramifications for changing RELIGIONS doesn’t have the consequences that declaring oneself now heterosexual does.
The definitions, are ambiguous, making my point that the general public is badly confused by this and gay young people pay a terrible price for this confusion.

How can one actually qualify an ex gay? Marriage to the opposite sex? Gay people do that all the time.

How one dresses, speaks, what sports they play or their social network, the profession they are in?
No one dare ask the quality of sex they are having or if it’s all they wanted and expected it to be.
Which is actually the very thing no one WILL probe in polite society.
So we sit around here and try and make nice, and meanwhile, as I said…the mutability of one’s sexual orientation is ARGUED in courts as a justification for discriminatory laws.

The bottom line: what kind of mind is it, that believes giving a broken toy to a needy child is still an act of supreme charity and goodness?

Ex gays who would LIKE for straight people to be nice to gay people don’t seem to get that CONVERTING gay people IS an act of charity. The poor, struggling gay person is redeemed and better off being heterosexual.

Ex gays are people trying to hand off something THEY no longer want, and in doing so, cannot defend.
And gay people have a terrible time defending who THEY are. Which makes ex gays (who are legally and institutionally free and are no longer burdened by being gay anymore) look self serving. The intentions of charity and protectiveness towards gay people looks like lip service, because the RESULTS of their conversion does damage.
And being in denial of the damage done to gay credibility is and could be unforgivable.
There are enough ex gays out there definitely hostile to gay people. And whatever charity or advocacy Mary and Warren espouse, as I’m saying for the nth time, is rendered WORTHLESS by their assertions of conversion.
Period.
And as for some charity being better than nothing, I also said that their charitable goals are NOT ENOUGH to counter the beliefs and confusion out there.

There is such a thing as a person blundering with the best of intentions and screwing up royally instead.
And it makes me angry when someone won’t accept just how badly they ARE screwing up.

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