My Answer: This can be compared to Gallileo or Bruno asking the Medieval church for help after their astronomical findings.

Your letter make me smile. I guess the answer is that you just have to be patient and wait a lil longer to enter adult places and become real adult person…:D just like all of us we just wait till the time come…many transgendered waits for years before they can fit in the society, so just wait..hehehe

I’m a little kid and I feel that inside of me there is a real adult.
Yes, I have what you could say is an “adult identity.” I know I was born an adult because I never did choose to be an adult.
Since I’m really, really an adult deep down inside, why is it I’m not allowed to go to “adult only” places and act like adults?
I mean, kids in Palestine can carry adult guns. Kids in other Muslim places can cut off heads in videos. And kids in San Francisco can watch gays having sex in public, so why can’t “adult” kids like me act like those adults?
If a man can be the “woman” inside of him, and if a woman can be the “man” she says is inside of her, I demand to live out the “adult identity” that I know is really, really inside of me!
Since a cat may think he’s the “mouse” inside of him, and since our “Christian” President can be the “Muslim” inside of him, I demand the right to be the transbeing adult that was inside of me even before I was born!

signed, Charlie (I mean – Mr. Brown)

I was amazed to see this old thread come to life. You are always welcome to check out my website. Although I am MTF, I think you might enjoy some of the writings.

And, Warren, I am wondering if your thinking has evolved to a new position over the years. I recall telling people that I’ve observed that the Bible has much to say about sexual minorities: a lot about the divorced man, a good bit about virginity before marriage, a bit about marrying a divorced woman, less about homosexuality, and very little about transgenderism.

I believe I obtained some of that concept from one of your comments (here?), that transgenderism was very much not a black-and-white issue in the Bible, but much more a shade of gray.

Soooo, all that said, what are your current thoughts, may I ask?

Much love in Christ always and unconditionally; Caryn

comparing fruit flies to people, riciculous, but its comfy isnt it!

Ranks right up there with the Bonobos chimps. Oh wait, a different set of people using them as an example.

oh , and by the way ive had so many people praying for me in my life but they always pray for what ( once again) makes them comfortable! maybe God , the un-affiliated and seemingly “comedic” being that he/she is , might be having a good laugh right about now! , does that make you “uncomfortable”?? , ks

who are blessed by God

as for sexuality well thats another and involves all genders.

My final point is why get bogged down in the law. when the blood covenant is what we enter and its relationship with the holy spirit that change happens. For the transgendered individual a journey of grace just like us all. Change of lifestyle is between god and the individual. To be so law focused we forget the power of Gods love to change anything.
Im not a liberal certainly more a fundimentalist who says the law is what it is.
If we are to impose the law we become judges . not our job. Religion is despicable for imposing lifestyle and the law. Telling how we should live before God.
Its not by our works we are saved.
love love love

I wrote an article, which was presented at the most recent bi-annual meeting of the World Professional Association for Transgender Health (formerly the Harry Benjamin International Gender Dysphoria Association) on a Christian view of Harry Benjamin Syndrome (a newer, and preferred term for transsexualism). I would be glad to let you see a copy of it, but I need your contact information.

I just wonder to Jennifer and others, from a Christian theological point of view, why is being born with something, or as something, necessarily make it correct spiritually? Are we not born sinners. Someone above “I had no choice in the matter, and since therefore it has to be given to me by God.” Does it? And on what grounds do we base such ideas?

Are we not fallen by nature? Was that given to us by God?

I am interested to talk with you about your idea that transsexualism cannot be called into question from biblical text. I’m a seminary student researching a topic on transgenderism for a Pastoral Care class. I would love your notes and info on this.

I was born, though no fault of my own, with a medical conditon which I had treated. Before I began the process, I sought God’s will, and continued to do so thoughout the process. Yes, we are born sinners. Now, let’s take an example that is close to the one we are discussing. Are you familiar with the condition known as Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome? A person with CAIS has XY chromosomes (male) but is born physically female. Now, the condition is usually discovered when puberty fails to occur. Now, again, this person is genetically a male. But because their body cannot react to male hormones, they become, in effect, a natural born “transsexual.” Now, would you demand that such a person adopt a male presentation? Or would you allow that they are female, in spite of their chromosomes? Keep in mind that such a person is mentally female, and tends to be extremely so. That is, they tend to be hyperfeminine because their brain is completely unaffected by androgens. But, some would say that such a person must be viewed as a male.