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	<title>Comments on: Houston Press article depicts a dark side of New Warriors Adventure</title>
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		<title>By: Mankind Project provides journalist with a &#8220;very weird weekend&#8221; &#8212; Warren Throckmorton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mankind Project provides journalist with a &#8220;very weird weekend&#8221; &#8212; Warren Throckmorton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 15:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] next time I recall thinking much about MKP was when I read Chris Vogel&#8217;s Houston Press article about the suicide of Michael Scinto. You can read all of the articles on MKP and NWTA [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] next time I recall thinking much about MKP was when I read Chris Vogel&#8217;s Houston Press article about the suicide of Michael Scinto. You can read all of the articles on MKP and NWTA [...]</p>
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		<title>By: M Barker</title>
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		<dc:creator>M Barker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 07:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think what must have happened to Michael Scinto is that the confrontation process MKP was doing and the roomful of naked men must&#039;ve taken him right back to the time when he was 6. His apparent fear of being attacked sounds like that.

His description of his experience sounds like a mingling of an MKP training weekend and a 6 year old&#039;s terror, embarrassment, and overwhelm over having just been molested - as Michael had when he was 6. He was coping with MKP&#039;s pressure like a 6 year-old rather than an adult. It sounds like it refreshed his molestation experience and made it feel like right now. And all of the fear and embarrassment and SHAME was made to be new and fresh and NOW. Addicts usually take whatever their drugs are as a response to shame. Feeling like they are worthless, bad, wrong. Most of us who&#039;ve been molested grow up feeling just like that. Some people who were molested have been known to commit suicide. 

The MKP may be OK as far as they go, but a 12-step group WORKED DILIGENTLY will get you further, but more slowly. There&#039;s something in our culture that wants to fix problems RIGHT NOW. Some problems can&#039;t be fixed that fast and trying to do so causes bigger problems like, perhaps, in Michael&#039;s case. 

MKP is limited in what they&#039;re able to do, they don&#039;t have Jung&#039;s deep understanding of the unconscious mind. They have a laudable goal and, from what I&#039;ve seen, work toward it with some measure of integrity. But their approach is limited and, for some, ill-advised. 

I know men who have, as I have, been through one of these weekends. Their i-groups or whatever meetings are a lot like an Al Anon or Co-dependents Anonymous meeting without the safety and structure of Al Anon or CODA and where other people sometimes try to do your work for you, which is really a lot less helpful than it seems. 

In the 12-step groups, there&#039;s a code-word for anyone who&#039;s trying to take advantage of a newcomer for their own ends. They call them &quot;13th-steppers&quot;. There is no 13th step. The insinuation is that the person taking advantage of the newcomer is trying to add their own new step to the 12 steps. I wouldn&#039;t hesitate to say that anyone who is working the first 12 steps with the integrity that MKP tries to teach won&#039;t be trying to coerce or pressure anyone into going to an MKP weekend. 

A real man will respect the wishes of another man and not try repeatedly to pressure him into joining their favorite organization or group.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think what must have happened to Michael Scinto is that the confrontation process MKP was doing and the roomful of naked men must&#8217;ve taken him right back to the time when he was 6. His apparent fear of being attacked sounds like that.</p>
<p>His description of his experience sounds like a mingling of an MKP training weekend and a 6 year old&#8217;s terror, embarrassment, and overwhelm over having just been molested &#8211; as Michael had when he was 6. He was coping with MKP&#8217;s pressure like a 6 year-old rather than an adult. It sounds like it refreshed his molestation experience and made it feel like right now. And all of the fear and embarrassment and SHAME was made to be new and fresh and NOW. Addicts usually take whatever their drugs are as a response to shame. Feeling like they are worthless, bad, wrong. Most of us who&#8217;ve been molested grow up feeling just like that. Some people who were molested have been known to commit suicide. </p>
<p>The MKP may be OK as far as they go, but a 12-step group WORKED DILIGENTLY will get you further, but more slowly. There&#8217;s something in our culture that wants to fix problems RIGHT NOW. Some problems can&#8217;t be fixed that fast and trying to do so causes bigger problems like, perhaps, in Michael&#8217;s case. </p>
<p>MKP is limited in what they&#8217;re able to do, they don&#8217;t have Jung&#8217;s deep understanding of the unconscious mind. They have a laudable goal and, from what I&#8217;ve seen, work toward it with some measure of integrity. But their approach is limited and, for some, ill-advised. </p>
<p>I know men who have, as I have, been through one of these weekends. Their i-groups or whatever meetings are a lot like an Al Anon or Co-dependents Anonymous meeting without the safety and structure of Al Anon or CODA and where other people sometimes try to do your work for you, which is really a lot less helpful than it seems. </p>
<p>In the 12-step groups, there&#8217;s a code-word for anyone who&#8217;s trying to take advantage of a newcomer for their own ends. They call them &#8220;13th-steppers&#8221;. There is no 13th step. The insinuation is that the person taking advantage of the newcomer is trying to add their own new step to the 12 steps. I wouldn&#8217;t hesitate to say that anyone who is working the first 12 steps with the integrity that MKP tries to teach won&#8217;t be trying to coerce or pressure anyone into going to an MKP weekend. </p>
<p>A real man will respect the wishes of another man and not try repeatedly to pressure him into joining their favorite organization or group.</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; ManKind Project goes transparent - Blogger News Network</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; ManKind Project goes transparent - Blogger News Network</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 04:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] interest in and criticism of the Mankind Project. My initial interest was sparked by the suicide of Michael Scinto shortly after attending a New Warriors Training Adventure, the signature program of MKP. In [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mankind Project goes transparent &#8212; Warren Throckmorton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mankind Project goes transparent &#8212; Warren Throckmorton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 14:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: &#187; Mankind Project has not implemented promised settlement - Blogger News Network</title>
		<link>http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/11/16/houston-press-article-depicts-a-dark-side-of-new-warriors-adventure/comment-page-1/#comment-155686</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; Mankind Project has not implemented promised settlement - Blogger News Network</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 19:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Society and Culture, Texas News, US News Read 2 times. Mankind Project came into public view via a Houston Press article on the suicide of Michael Scinto. Due to statements made after the New Warriors Training Adventure weekend by Mr. Scinto, his [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Warren Throckmorton &#187; Mankind Project Houston has not implemented Scinto court settlement</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warren Throckmorton &#187; Mankind Project Houston has not implemented Scinto court settlement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 18:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Project came into public view via a Houston Press article on the suicide of Michael Scinto. Due to statements made after the New Warriors Training Adventure weekend by Mr. Scinto, his [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mankind Project of Houston settles wrongful death lawsuit; some mental health oversight required &#8212; Warren Throckmorton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mankind Project of Houston settles wrongful death lawsuit; some mental health oversight required &#8212; Warren Throckmorton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 20:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] program, the New Warriors Training Adventure. My interest in MKP and NWTA was provoked by a Houston Press article detailing the suicide of Michael Scinto. Mr. Scinto had attended a NWTA and reported distress [...]</description>
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		<title>By: houston press</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 06:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] club for men? Read this houston press article for more information about this growing men&#039;s group.http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/11/16/houston-press-article-depicts-a-dark-side-of-new-warriors-advent...Rootz Rock Rebellion, page 1 - Music - Broward-Palm Beach New TimesApr 24, 2008 ... Broward/Palm [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Warren Throckmorton &#187; Blog Archive &#187; New Warriors and rebirthing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warren Throckmorton &#187; Blog Archive &#187; New Warriors and rebirthing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 01:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] before, at least in part. Joe Kort has been a vocal defender of MKP and I have noted before that Richard Cohen and Joseph Nicolosi have been involved in MKP. Clinton Anderson is the Director of the Gay, Lesbian, and Bisexual [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ex-Gay Watch &#187; Letter Recalls Richard Cohen&#8217;s Shocking Behavior at Exodus Conference</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ex-Gay Watch &#187; Letter Recalls Richard Cohen&#8217;s Shocking Behavior at Exodus Conference</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] about Cohen&#8217;s support of a strangely homo-erotic &#8220;therapeutic group&#8221; called New Warriors. One wonders if there will ever be enough writing on the wall to discourage the confused from [...]</description>
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