Comments on: God and Hillary Clinton, Part 4 – Pro-choice Christians?

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By: Paul Waters

Paul Waters — Sat, 03 Nov 2007 20:17:17 +0000

If memory serves, didn’t you American fight a civil war in the 19th century the purpose of which was to enforce the anti-slavery morality of the North on the pro-slavery morality of the South? Is Brenda suggesting that Abraham Lincoln et al should have limited themselves to preaching and cajoling? And 100 years or so later, should the civil-rights leaders contented themselves with persuading the Southern states to abandon their pro-segregation morality rather than asking the U.S. Supreme Court and the U.S. Congress to impose integration by judicial and legislative fiat. The only difference between the victims of the pro-abortion morality and the victims of the pro-slavery and pro-segregation moralities is that the former cannot speak for themselves.

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By: Ann

Ann — Thu, 18 Oct 2007 03:46:41 +0000

For any on this blog or for anyone you might know who is suffering the consequences of an abortion they have had, I recommend the book “Tilly”. This book is for those who are not comfortable with the decision they made and it will help them to reconcile their thoughts and bring them peace.

I do not think the actual act of abortion is really the issue in our conversations here – it is more about the rationalization of it that brings contention.

By: Bill

Bill — Thu, 18 Oct 2007 02:28:33 +0000

Sad commentary always results when we spin our own personal beliefs into what God has clearly proclaimed, in that killing an innocent life in the womb is not tantamount to uprooting a weed that is growing in our garden. A seed is planted in the ground to grow into new life and bear fruit, and a child is planted in the mother’s womb for the same reason. I know how to plant the seed, but I don’t know how to make it grow. It’s not my choice that life takes place, but God’s. Sex is good , so God says, we are all by products of this act. None of us had the choice to determine if we would be permitted to live outside the womb, that choice was made by another who came before us. So who is appointed the judge on whether I live or die….I’ll give you a hint it’s not another human being.

Man has found a way in his infinite unwisdom to take this decision out of God’s hands….after all man does know better. You can tell by the results of where this has gotten him… that there is no truth in that statement. “No God in the picture, no future in the picture” and intellectually deficient person like most of us can figure that out . We are not known by what we say but by what we do, and we are likewise judged by that same standard.

By: Mary

Mary — Thu, 18 Oct 2007 02:07:40 +0000

Educate people before they begin to have sex without protection. Change the health care system that is costly for poor people, provide more options for wokring mothers without fathers or single parent households. I don’t agree with abortion but there is so much more than just the inconvience. Guilting someone into understanding does nothing – educating and providing for more people does.

By: jag

jag — Thu, 18 Oct 2007 01:49:23 +0000

Kengor stated:

“Tragically, for many on the Religious Left, this justice is confined to race and class and economics, and only for those fortunate enough to have been born. They do not extend their social justice to the unborn, which they relegate to the status of non-humans who are deprived of the most basic of all rights: the right to life. This is a complete, utter injustice. ”

Wow…so terribly objective. Who is this guy again, and why is he an authority? It’s one thing if you want to philosophically question the stance of one group, but quite another to dismiss it out of hand. It’s a very unacademic approach, agree with it or not.

Usually, on this blog, we are looking to increase understanding – not cut the conversation off at the knees.

I hope in the future, we can do better.

By: Phyllis

Phyllis — Thu, 18 Oct 2007 01:27:33 +0000

When I first started hearing about abortion I was in my teens and it wasn’t made legal, the Supreme Court had n’t legislated it yet. My idea, even though I was raised Catholic, was that since they legislated it, it must be alright to do then. It wasn’t until I overheard several people talking about it and realized what an abortion was that I became appalled at the thought that society would actually okay this. At first it was because it was just a blob of tissue, then it was coming downing the birth canal and the mother decided that she couldn’t mentally have another child. Whether a Christian or not, I believe somewhere deep inside people commit sin because they want to, as in get drunk, commit adultery, steal, etc. and have to justify their actions by defending it in some way. The pro-choice group has to defend their beliefs. To do otherwise would mean they have to take a good look at what is really happening during an abortion – a murder. After seeing the movie “A Silent Scream” and saw how that so called “blob of tissue” was trying to get away from that surgeon”s knife, I cried my eyes out and every time I hear of the statistics about abortions, whether up or down, I can’t help but think of how that little person had to fight for it’s life in the warm “safe” place of a mothers womb!!! Christian or not, we all commit sin or injustices if one doesn’t believe in sin…we just need to take a good long look at the sin we are defending and why.

By: Ann

Ann — Wed, 17 Oct 2007 23:47:27 +0000

We all have issues we advocate – the right to life is one that seems obvious yet for others it is thought of as a 9 month inconvenience and so the decision is made to terminate a life. For those who are against hate crimes yet do not advocate for life of the innocent, I find a contradiction. Abortion is a hate crime because there are two people involved and yet one has no voice and is at the mercy of the person who is supposed to be protecting them. This has NOTHING to to with Christianity or religion or the government, yet that is what this subject is clumped into. It is a personal and moral choice. I agree with Jayhuck – educate these women about what and who is involved, allow them to understand completely what they are about to do – let them see pictures of their pre-born child, give them resources and hope, and hopefully they will make the choice for life. It is only out of ignorance that we make some of the choices we do that haunt us the rest of our lives – abortion is one of them. Just like with any law that is intended to stop hate crimes, it will be impotent unless a heart is changed.