Comments on: Only the gay die young? Part 9 – The Camerons disturbing views http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/05/14/only-the-gay-die-young-part-9-the-camerons-disturbing-views/ A College Psychology Professor's Observations About Public Policy, Mental Health, Sexual Identity, and Religious Issues Wed, 23 May 2012 15:26:21 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Edgar http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/05/14/only-the-gay-die-young-part-9-the-camerons-disturbing-views/comment-page-1/#comment-25925 Edgar Sat, 19 May 2007 10:13:53 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/05/14/only-the-gay-die-young-part-9-the-camerons-disturbing-views/#comment-25925 Oh Come on and lighten up. My comment about Ernst Roehm being my favorite Nazi was funny and worthy of being posted! Oh Come on and lighten up.
My comment about Ernst Roehm being my favorite Nazi was funny and worthy of being posted!

]]> By: Michael Bussee http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/05/14/only-the-gay-die-young-part-9-the-camerons-disturbing-views/comment-page-1/#comment-25684 Michael Bussee Thu, 17 May 2007 19:03:35 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/05/14/only-the-gay-die-young-part-9-the-camerons-disturbing-views/#comment-25684 This, today, from Alan Chamber's personal blog http://www.alanchambers.org/ He is to be commended for taking this stand: "So, when it comes to the evils of homophobia, bullying, name calling, hatred and violence where those affected by homosexuality are concerned, I stand with all decent human beings who are fighting and praying for an end to the ignorance and ungodliness that cause them." It's not QUITE a direct denunciation of Cameron's "ungodly" advocacy of castration, tatooing and extermination of gays. See http://www.hatecrime.org/subpages/hatespeech/cameron.html , (or of NARTH for coninuing to support Cameron's views) but it is a very positive step! Sincere THANKS, Alan. This, today, from Alan Chamber’s personal blog http://www.alanchambers.org/ He is to be commended for taking this stand:

“So, when it comes to the evils of homophobia, bullying, name calling, hatred and violence where those affected by homosexuality are concerned, I stand with all decent human beings who are fighting and praying for an end to the ignorance and ungodliness that cause them.”

It’s not QUITE a direct denunciation of Cameron’s “ungodly” advocacy of castration, tatooing and extermination of gays. See http://www.hatecrime.org/subpages/hatespeech/cameron.html , (or of NARTH for coninuing to support Cameron’s views) but it is a very positive step! Sincere THANKS, Alan.

]]> By: Joe Brummer http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/05/14/only-the-gay-die-young-part-9-the-camerons-disturbing-views/comment-page-1/#comment-25423 Joe Brummer Tue, 15 May 2007 17:21:49 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/05/14/only-the-gay-die-young-part-9-the-camerons-disturbing-views/#comment-25423 Here is another Cameron misuse from today's world net daily http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55688 Here is another Cameron misuse from today’s world net daily

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55688

]]> By: Michael Bussee http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/05/14/only-the-gay-die-young-part-9-the-camerons-disturbing-views/comment-page-1/#comment-25402 Michael Bussee Tue, 15 May 2007 13:20:18 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/05/14/only-the-gay-die-young-part-9-the-camerons-disturbing-views/#comment-25402 The more I think about it, EXODUS needs to do more than simply reject Cameron's "studies", They need to denounce HIM -- and the hateful things he stands for. They also need to denounce NARTH for not denouncing Cameron -- just as they did when they pulled out of PFOX over the Cohen disaster. If EXODUS does not stand for something, I fear they will continue to fall for anything. The more I think about it, EXODUS needs to do more than simply reject Cameron’s “studies”, They need to denounce HIM — and the hateful things he stands for. They also need to denounce NARTH for not denouncing Cameron — just as they did when they pulled out of PFOX over the Cohen disaster. If EXODUS does not stand for something, I fear they will continue to fall for anything.

]]> By: “replace the lies with truth” » Blog Archive » The Exposing of Paul Cameron and His Mighty Army http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/05/14/only-the-gay-die-young-part-9-the-camerons-disturbing-views/comment-page-1/#comment-25347 “replace the lies with truth” » Blog Archive » The Exposing of Paul Cameron and His Mighty Army Tue, 15 May 2007 02:45:43 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/05/14/only-the-gay-die-young-part-9-the-camerons-disturbing-views/#comment-25347 [...] Warren Throckmorton has also helped this effort by listing the groups that use Cameron’s work.   Be sure to check that out too!  Notice our friends Matt Barber, Peter LaBabera and NARTH are all on the list. [...] [...] Warren Throckmorton has also helped this effort by listing the groups that use Cameron’s work.   Be sure to check that out too!  Notice our friends Matt Barber, Peter LaBabera and NARTH are all on the list. [...]

]]> By: Box Turtle Bulletin » Do These Folks Agree With Cameron’s “Solution” http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/05/14/only-the-gay-die-young-part-9-the-camerons-disturbing-views/comment-page-1/#comment-25338 Box Turtle Bulletin » Do These Folks Agree With Cameron’s “Solution” Tue, 15 May 2007 01:34:59 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/05/14/only-the-gay-die-young-part-9-the-camerons-disturbing-views/#comment-25338 [...] Warren Throckmorton has also posted about Paul Cameron’s disturbing views expressed in Cameron’s article, “Gays in Nazi Germany.” Dr. Throckmorton [...] [...] Warren Throckmorton has also posted about Paul Cameron’s disturbing views expressed in Cameron’s article, “Gays in Nazi Germany.” Dr. Throckmorton [...]

]]> By: ck http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/05/14/only-the-gay-die-young-part-9-the-camerons-disturbing-views/comment-page-1/#comment-25311 ck Mon, 14 May 2007 20:58:51 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/05/14/only-the-gay-die-young-part-9-the-camerons-disturbing-views/#comment-25311 "How did the Romans deal with Christians? ...its experience provides some insight about the “containability” of Christianity, at least under an emperor's rule." I'm sure that Cameron would have no problem if someone published a paper with that thesis, right? Wow. And it's taken this long to bring his biases and shoddy thinking into the light of day? “How did the Romans deal with Christians? …its experience provides some insight about the “containability” of Christianity, at least under an emperor’s rule.”

I’m sure that Cameron would have no problem if someone published a paper with that thesis, right?

Wow. And it’s taken this long to bring his biases and shoddy thinking into the light of day?

]]> By: Timothy Kincaid http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/05/14/only-the-gay-die-young-part-9-the-camerons-disturbing-views/comment-page-1/#comment-25306 Timothy Kincaid Mon, 14 May 2007 20:09:35 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/05/14/only-the-gay-die-young-part-9-the-camerons-disturbing-views/#comment-25306 <i>Some will say, but didn’t EXODUS disavow Cameron? Didn’t they dump Cohen? Shouldn’t we trust them now? NO.</i> Perhaps not trust. Or at least not entirely. But they do deserve credit for disavowing them. Some will say, but didn’t EXODUS disavow Cameron? Didn’t they dump Cohen? Shouldn’t we trust them now? NO.

Perhaps not trust. Or at least not entirely. But they do deserve credit for disavowing them.

]]> By: Michael Bussee http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/05/14/only-the-gay-die-young-part-9-the-camerons-disturbing-views/comment-page-1/#comment-25300 Michael Bussee Mon, 14 May 2007 18:49:21 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/05/14/only-the-gay-die-young-part-9-the-camerons-disturbing-views/#comment-25300 That bears repeating: They need to "heed Dr. Throckmorton’s call to credibility and clean up their act." That's going to take considerable time and effort -- consistent effort. In the meantime, it strikes me as just plain silly for EXODUS, NARTH and the like to complain that the media, the APA and or other organizations won't give them proper respect. What have they done to EARN it? In light of alliances with Cameron, Cohen, Schoenewolf, Nicolosi, Berger and the like, people should completely avoid "reparative therapists" who are now or who have been alligned with NARTH or EXODUS. Some will say, but didn't EXODUS disavow Cameron? Didn't they dump Cohen? Shouldn't we trust them now? NO. EXODUS is still alligned with NARTH and NARTH has not disavowed Cameron. Let's see a track-record of several years of sound judgement -- and not just knee-jerk reactions to one public relations disaster after another. That bears repeating: They need to “heed Dr. Throckmorton’s call to credibility and clean up their act.” That’s going to take considerable time and effort — consistent effort.

In the meantime, it strikes me as just plain silly for EXODUS, NARTH and the like to complain that the media, the APA and or other organizations won’t give them proper respect. What have they done to EARN it? In light of alliances with Cameron, Cohen, Schoenewolf, Nicolosi, Berger and the like, people should completely avoid “reparative therapists” who are now or who have been alligned with NARTH or EXODUS.

Some will say, but didn’t EXODUS disavow Cameron? Didn’t they dump Cohen? Shouldn’t we trust them now? NO. EXODUS is still alligned with NARTH and NARTH has not disavowed Cameron. Let’s see a track-record of several years of sound judgement — and not just knee-jerk reactions to one public relations disaster after another.

]]> By: Timothy Kincaid http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/05/14/only-the-gay-die-young-part-9-the-camerons-disturbing-views/comment-page-1/#comment-25293 Timothy Kincaid Mon, 14 May 2007 17:33:52 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/05/14/only-the-gay-die-young-part-9-the-camerons-disturbing-views/#comment-25293 <i>I call on fellow social conservatives who still refer to the Camerons’ work to take a hard look at these posts and reflect on whether someone with such extreme animosity could possibly approach social science data with sufficient objectivity to be trusted.</i> It can be understood why some social conservatives have in the past listened to the Camerons, found their views about homosexuality to be in allignment with their own, and believed their claims of emperical evidence and study. However, as closer inspection of the Camerons has shown the Camerons to be less than strictly honest, lacking in objectivity, faulty in their research methods, and now possibly sharing the idealogical views of one of the greatest monsters in recent history, there is no longer any excuse for relying on or propogating the "work" of the Camerons. Responsible social conservatives will do what Bill Bennett and Exodus (after far too long) did and disavow Paul and Kirk Cameron and their claims. They will heed Dr. Throckmorton's call to credibility and clean up their act. Some, of course, won't care. They will consider the anti-gay nature of the Camerons' reports to be adequate justification for their dissemination. But then we will then know who has absolutely no credibility whatsoever. I call on fellow social conservatives who still refer to the Camerons’ work to take a hard look at these posts and reflect on whether someone with such extreme animosity could possibly approach social science data with sufficient objectivity to be trusted.

It can be understood why some social conservatives have in the past listened to the Camerons, found their views about homosexuality to be in allignment with their own, and believed their claims of emperical evidence and study. However, as closer inspection of the Camerons has shown the Camerons to be less than strictly honest, lacking in objectivity, faulty in their research methods, and now possibly sharing the idealogical views of one of the greatest monsters in recent history, there is no longer any excuse for relying on or propogating the “work” of the Camerons.

Responsible social conservatives will do what Bill Bennett and Exodus (after far too long) did and disavow Paul and Kirk Cameron and their claims. They will heed Dr. Throckmorton’s call to credibility and clean up their act.

Some, of course, won’t care. They will consider the anti-gay nature of the Camerons’ reports to be adequate justification for their dissemination.

But then we will then know who has absolutely no credibility whatsoever.

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