Comments on: Only the gay die young? Part 4 – Brief evaluation of Cameron & Cameron (2007) http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/04/24/only-the-gay-die-young-part-4-brief-evaluation-of-cameron-cameron-2007/ A College Psychology Professor's Observations About Public Policy, Mental Health, Sexual Identity, and Religious Issues Wed, 23 May 2012 11:05:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Box Turtle Bulletin » Insure.com CEO Defends Paul Cameron http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/04/24/only-the-gay-die-young-part-4-brief-evaluation-of-cameron-cameron-2007/comment-page-1/#comment-112772 Box Turtle Bulletin » Insure.com CEO Defends Paul Cameron Mon, 14 Jul 2008 07:02:13 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/04/24/only-the-gay-die-young-part-4-brief-evaluation-of-cameron-cameron-2007/#comment-112772 [...] then maybe they can trust conservative Christian psychology professor Warren Throckmorton. He examined Cameron’s Danish “Gays Die Young” notions and devoted a nine part series to the subject. Throckmorton concluded that the Camerons skewed [...] [...] then maybe they can trust conservative Christian psychology professor Warren Throckmorton. He examined Cameron’s Danish “Gays Die Young” notions and devoted a nine part series to the subject. Throckmorton concluded that the Camerons skewed [...]

]]> By: Timothy Kincaid http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/04/24/only-the-gay-die-young-part-4-brief-evaluation-of-cameron-cameron-2007/comment-page-1/#comment-31832 Timothy Kincaid Wed, 13 Jun 2007 00:21:14 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/04/24/only-the-gay-die-young-part-4-brief-evaluation-of-cameron-cameron-2007/#comment-31832 <i>“Someone in your profession Phillips could certainly find other IP addresses.... </i> what is the source of this quote? “Someone in your profession Phillips could certainly find other IP addresses….

what is the source of this quote?

]]> By: Phillips http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/04/24/only-the-gay-die-young-part-4-brief-evaluation-of-cameron-cameron-2007/comment-page-1/#comment-31789 Phillips Tue, 12 Jun 2007 20:57:06 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/04/24/only-the-gay-die-young-part-4-brief-evaluation-of-cameron-cameron-2007/#comment-31789 "Someone in your profession Phillips could certainly find other IP addresses. In your line of work, I am sure if you used the same standard for finding conclusions as you have in this discussion, you would run into serious difficulty. Science does not say, hey we only have half the data we need to make a conclusion, so let’s guess at it, and make a dogmatic conclusion via a press release. That would appear to be what FRI excells at. On the contrary, if we don’t have sufficient data, we say: we don’t know and then we look for ways to find the proper data." Ha, it seems like I could - though I'm curious as to what 'profession' you think I am. Fri didn't use "half" of any data, they used government records of the deaths of married 'gays'. As for the variables, time will tell, just like it has ever since St. Paul's observations, ever since FRI started research in '83, as well as few other studies, e.g. the CDC and Hogg et. al. ones, etc. As of to date, there are no studies to refute the current conclusion. There isn't even direct evidence that 'gays' health problems stem from "homophobia", though the CDC says this without a single reference as to why it is the "truth". As far as I am aware, that's the closest thing to propoganda I think we've seen yet - giving even the name of Stalin a rival. “Someone in your profession Phillips could certainly find other IP addresses. In your line of work, I am sure if you used the same standard for finding conclusions as you have in this discussion, you would run into serious difficulty. Science does not say, hey we only have half the data we need to make a conclusion, so let’s guess at it, and make a dogmatic conclusion via a press release. That would appear to be what FRI excells at. On the contrary, if we don’t have sufficient data, we say: we don’t know and then we look for ways to find the proper data.”

Ha, it seems like I could – though I’m curious as to what ‘profession’ you think I am.

Fri didn’t use “half” of any data, they used government records of the deaths of married ‘gays’. As for the variables, time will tell, just like it has ever since St. Paul’s observations, ever since FRI started research in ’83, as well as few other studies, e.g. the CDC and Hogg et. al. ones, etc.

As of to date, there are no studies to refute the current conclusion. There isn’t even direct evidence that ‘gays’ health problems stem from “homophobia”, though the CDC says this without a single reference as to why it is the “truth”. As far as I am aware, that’s the closest thing to propoganda I think we’ve seen yet – giving even the name of Stalin a rival.

]]> By: Phillips http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/04/24/only-the-gay-die-young-part-4-brief-evaluation-of-cameron-cameron-2007/comment-page-1/#comment-30578 Phillips Thu, 07 Jun 2007 18:39:29 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/04/24/only-the-gay-die-young-part-4-brief-evaluation-of-cameron-cameron-2007/#comment-30578 This a report by Christopher Banks from the 'University of Saskatchewan', "A study by Hogg et al (1997) found that the life expectancy of 20 year old GB men in Vancouver was 34 to 46.3 more years, as compared to 54.3 more years for 20 year old non-GLB men. Therefore, GLB life expectancy is significantly lower than the heterosexual population. There is evidence that this decreased life expectancy is due to increased levels of health and social problems faced by GLB [gay, lesbian, bisexual]." (p.18) - The Co$t of Homophobia: Literature Review on the Economic Impact of Homophobia on Canada This a report by Christopher Banks from the ‘University of Saskatchewan’,

“A study by Hogg et al (1997) found that the life expectancy of 20 year old GB men in Vancouver was 34 to 46.3 more years, as compared to 54.3 more years for 20 year old non-GLB men. Therefore, GLB life expectancy is significantly lower than the heterosexual population. There is evidence that this decreased life expectancy is due to increased levels of health and social problems faced by GLB [gay, lesbian, bisexual].” (p.18) – The Co$t of Homophobia: Literature Review on the Economic Impact of Homophobia on Canada

]]> By: Steve F http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/04/24/only-the-gay-die-young-part-4-brief-evaluation-of-cameron-cameron-2007/comment-page-1/#comment-23232 Steve F Sun, 29 Apr 2007 06:12:33 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/04/24/only-the-gay-die-young-part-4-brief-evaluation-of-cameron-cameron-2007/#comment-23232 Thank you for the Word document. Your analysis of the Cameron's methodology is clear, insightful, and pokes some rather large holes in their "research." The tragic part is that a significant number of people will believe the Cameron's "data," regardless of its viability, because Drs. Cameron are resisting "the homosexual agenda." After all, if it's anti-gay, it's got to be right, doesn't it? Thank you. Thank you for the Word document. Your analysis of the Cameron’s methodology is clear, insightful, and pokes some rather large holes in their “research.”

The tragic part is that a significant number of people will believe the Cameron’s “data,” regardless of its viability, because Drs. Cameron are resisting “the homosexual agenda.” After all, if it’s anti-gay, it’s got to be right, doesn’t it?

Thank you.

]]> By: Warren Throckmorton » Blog Archive » Only the gay die young? Part 6 - Exodus International statement http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/04/24/only-the-gay-die-young-part-4-brief-evaluation-of-cameron-cameron-2007/comment-page-1/#comment-22560 Warren Throckmorton » Blog Archive » Only the gay die young? Part 6 - Exodus International statement Thu, 26 Apr 2007 22:42:26 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/04/24/only-the-gay-die-young-part-4-brief-evaluation-of-cameron-cameron-2007/#comment-22560 [...] to the recent series of posts examining the recent report from Paul and Kirk Cameron on life expectancy is this action from [...] [...] to the recent series of posts examining the recent report from Paul and Kirk Cameron on life expectancy is this action from [...]

]]> By: Lynn David http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/04/24/only-the-gay-die-young-part-4-brief-evaluation-of-cameron-cameron-2007/comment-page-1/#comment-22276 Lynn David Wed, 25 Apr 2007 05:35:55 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/04/24/only-the-gay-die-young-part-4-brief-evaluation-of-cameron-cameron-2007/#comment-22276 Thank you.... Thank you….

]]> By: Jim Burroway http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/04/24/only-the-gay-die-young-part-4-brief-evaluation-of-cameron-cameron-2007/comment-page-1/#comment-22214 Jim Burroway Tue, 24 Apr 2007 22:39:38 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/04/24/only-the-gay-die-young-part-4-brief-evaluation-of-cameron-cameron-2007/#comment-22214 I think that was one splendid analysis. A great job at connecting the dots from one unsupported assumption to the next, revealing a house of cards that's just a little too topheavy I think that was one splendid analysis. A great job at connecting the dots from one unsupported assumption to the next, revealing a house of cards that’s just a little too topheavy

]]> By: Box Turtle Bulletin » Blog Archive » But Wait! There’s More About Paul Cameron… http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/04/24/only-the-gay-die-young-part-4-brief-evaluation-of-cameron-cameron-2007/comment-page-1/#comment-22176 Box Turtle Bulletin » Blog Archive » But Wait! There’s More About Paul Cameron… Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:00:53 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/04/24/only-the-gay-die-young-part-4-brief-evaluation-of-cameron-cameron-2007/#comment-22176 [...] hard to keep up with all of this. First this morning came Dr. Warren Throckmorton’s devastating analysis of Cameron’s “Scandinavian Gay Lifespan” study. Now he has posted another [...] [...] hard to keep up with all of this. First this morning came Dr. Warren Throckmorton’s devastating analysis of Cameron’s “Scandinavian Gay Lifespan” study. Now he has posted another [...]

]]> By: Warren Throckmorton » Blog Archive » Only the gay die young? Part 5 - Morten Frisch responds to Kirk Cameron http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/04/24/only-the-gay-die-young-part-4-brief-evaluation-of-cameron-cameron-2007/comment-page-1/#comment-22148 Warren Throckmorton » Blog Archive » Only the gay die young? Part 5 - Morten Frisch responds to Kirk Cameron Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:35:38 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/04/24/only-the-gay-die-young-part-4-brief-evaluation-of-cameron-cameron-2007/#comment-22148 [...] Warren Throckmorton « Only the gay die young? Part 4 - Brief evaluation of Cameron & Cameron (2007) [...] [...] Warren Throckmorton « Only the gay die young? Part 4 – Brief evaluation of Cameron & Cameron (2007) [...]

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