Comments on: I Do Exist to be retired http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/01/07/i-do-exist-to-be-retired/ A College Psychology Professor's Observations About Public Policy, Mental Health, Sexual Identity, and Religious Issues Tue, 22 May 2012 00:54:55 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Warren Throckmorton » Blog Archive » Year in review: Top Ten Stories from 2007 http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/01/07/i-do-exist-to-be-retired/comment-page-1/#comment-77510 Warren Throckmorton » Blog Archive » Year in review: Top Ten Stories from 2007 Mon, 31 Dec 2007 18:36:24 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/01/07/i-do-exist-to-be-retired/#comment-77510 [...] division with Exodus, Al Mohler’s comments on biology and homosexuality, the retirement of I Do Exist, and my musical comeback and resultant #1 Internet [...] [...] division with Exodus, Al Mohler’s comments on biology and homosexuality, the retirement of I Do Exist, and my musical comeback and resultant #1 Internet [...]

]]> By: Warren http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/01/07/i-do-exist-to-be-retired/comment-page-1/#comment-5855 Warren Tue, 23 Jan 2007 05:16:02 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/01/07/i-do-exist-to-be-retired/#comment-5855 To be consistent, I would say that a same-sex couple married in a Christian church would view monogamy as their ethic. Denominations are nearing schism over such issues as you probably know. To be consistent, I would say that a same-sex couple married in a Christian church would view monogamy as their ethic. Denominations are nearing schism over such issues as you probably know.

]]> By: jag http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/01/07/i-do-exist-to-be-retired/comment-page-1/#comment-5840 jag Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:51:19 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/01/07/i-do-exist-to-be-retired/#comment-5840 Warren - If you believe "a Christian sexual ethic limits sexual behavior to monogamous heterosexual marriage. I don’t see being attracted as a sin,..." Then, do you believe in same-sex relationships being productive if the parties are allowed to marry - or if they are married (under canadian law, their church, etc..)? It would seem to me that if they are following their faith (reconstructionist Methodist, etc..) which interprets the Bible differently under their Christian faith, then a married same-sex couple would simply have to follow the same Christian ethics regarding sexual behavior as anyone else. How do you view this? Warren –
If you believe “a Christian sexual ethic limits sexual behavior to monogamous heterosexual marriage. I don’t see being attracted as a sin,…” Then, do you believe in same-sex relationships being productive if the parties are allowed to marry – or if they are married (under canadian law, their church, etc..)?

It would seem to me that if they are following their faith (reconstructionist Methodist, etc..) which interprets the Bible differently under their Christian faith, then a married same-sex couple would simply have to follow the same Christian ethics regarding sexual behavior as anyone else.

How do you view this?

]]> By: Warren http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/01/07/i-do-exist-to-be-retired/comment-page-1/#comment-5492 Warren Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:40:45 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/01/07/i-do-exist-to-be-retired/#comment-5492 Sarah - I believe one must distinguish between inclinations and attractions and behaviors. I believe a Christian sexual ethic limits sexual behavior to monogamous heterosexual marriage. I don't see being attracted as a sin, any more than being attracted to do anything that would miss the mark. Sarah – I believe one must distinguish between inclinations and attractions and behaviors. I believe a Christian sexual ethic limits sexual behavior to monogamous heterosexual marriage. I don’t see being attracted as a sin, any more than being attracted to do anything that would miss the mark.

]]> By: Sarah http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/01/07/i-do-exist-to-be-retired/comment-page-1/#comment-5490 Sarah Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:30:42 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/01/07/i-do-exist-to-be-retired/#comment-5490 Dr. Throckmorton: do you believe that homosexuality is a sin? Dr. Throckmorton: do you believe that homosexuality is a sin?

]]> By: Michael Bussee http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/01/07/i-do-exist-to-be-retired/comment-page-1/#comment-5176 Michael Bussee Thu, 11 Jan 2007 19:47:15 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/01/07/i-do-exist-to-be-retired/#comment-5176 To Robbi Kenney: Is it true that you once cautioned "ex-gay" ministries: "Know what you are offering. ... You are NOT offering heterosexuality... [but] the power to come into celibacy." You are often quoted as saying this. If it is true, it sounds similar to Dr. Throckmorton announcement that his "current work does not emphasize changing sexual orientation as much as it does achieving congruence with chosen beliefs and values (which may or may not lead to change of attractions). I do not want to misquote what Robbi reportedly said years ago. To Robbi Kenney: Is it true that you once cautioned “ex-gay” ministries: “Know what you are offering. … You are NOT offering heterosexuality… [but] the power to come into celibacy.” You are often quoted as saying this.

If it is true, it sounds similar to Dr. Throckmorton announcement that his “current work does not emphasize changing sexual orientation as much as it does achieving congruence with chosen beliefs and values (which may or may not lead to change of attractions). I do not want to misquote what Robbi reportedly said years ago.

]]> By: Lance http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/01/07/i-do-exist-to-be-retired/comment-page-1/#comment-5083 Lance Thu, 11 Jan 2007 01:47:57 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/01/07/i-do-exist-to-be-retired/#comment-5083 "Perhaps 'I Still Believe Others May Exist' is available." Priceless. I'm in Australia, I just find the whole American Pharisee Right sub-culture fascinating....completely oblivious to its own haughty abomination of pride (proverbs 16:5) and failing to understand how it's setting up its own judgement before God (Romans 2). “Perhaps ‘I Still Believe Others May Exist’ is available.”

Priceless.

I’m in Australia, I just find the whole American Pharisee Right sub-culture fascinating….completely oblivious to its own haughty abomination of pride (proverbs 16:5) and failing to understand how it’s setting up its own judgement before God (Romans 2).

]]> By: Timothy Kincaid http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/01/07/i-do-exist-to-be-retired/comment-page-1/#comment-4908 Timothy Kincaid Tue, 09 Jan 2007 18:48:57 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/01/07/i-do-exist-to-be-retired/#comment-4908 <blockquote>Noe says on his site that he does not regret what he said and he still believes in change. I don’t see what Noe wrote as being a reason to retire the video.</blockquote> Perhaps not. However it might be a good reason to change the title. Perhaps <i>I Still Believe Others May Exist</i> is available. ;)

Noe says on his site that he does not regret what he said and he still believes in change. I don’t see what Noe wrote as being a reason to retire the video.

Perhaps not. However it might be a good reason to change the title. Perhaps I Still Believe Others May Exist is available.

;)

]]> By: Jeff http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/01/07/i-do-exist-to-be-retired/comment-page-1/#comment-4894 Jeff Tue, 09 Jan 2007 17:44:17 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/01/07/i-do-exist-to-be-retired/#comment-4894 Dear Dr. Throckmorton, I think the I Do Exist Video should be shown in parts on YouTube.com I found you're site and video on YouTube and did not even know that change was possible. Please prayerfuly consider doing some sort of outreach minstry using this new tool. You have no idea how this 5 minute video has impacted my life. Also I think the video by Presbyterians for Renewal and OnebyOne should also be put on Youtube and any other quality video.link: http://www.speakingamystery.com/trailer.html Young people see Youtube alot and that in itself can be a ministry.I think that some one should consider doing this. Dear Dr. Throckmorton,

I think the I Do Exist Video should be shown
in parts on YouTube.com I found you’re site and
video on YouTube and did not even know that change
was possible. Please prayerfuly consider doing some
sort of outreach minstry using this new tool. You have
no idea how this 5 minute video has impacted my life.

Also I think the video by Presbyterians for Renewal and OnebyOne should also be put on Youtube and any other quality video.link:

http://www.speakingamystery.com/trailer.html

Young people see Youtube alot and that in itself
can be a ministry.I think that some one should
consider doing this.

]]> By: Michael Bussee http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/01/07/i-do-exist-to-be-retired/comment-page-1/#comment-4869 Michael Bussee Tue, 09 Jan 2007 15:05:45 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/01/07/i-do-exist-to-be-retired/#comment-4869 Dr. T: "My current work does not emphasize changing sexual orientation as much as it does achieving congruence with chosen beliefs and values (which may or may not lead to change of attractions)." Now if only EXODUS and NARTH would adopt a similar honest and realistic approach. I have enver objected to helping people live more loving, responsible, congruent and value-driven lives. That's a worthy and "do-able" goal. And if, in the process of growing up, they discover some attractions they didn't recognize before, that's certainly OK with me. Dr. T: “My current work does not emphasize changing sexual orientation as much as it does achieving congruence with chosen beliefs and values (which may or may not lead to change of attractions).”

Now if only EXODUS and NARTH would adopt a similar honest and realistic approach. I have enver objected to helping people live more loving, responsible, congruent and value-driven lives. That’s a worthy and “do-able” goal. And if, in the process of growing up, they discover some attractions they didn’t recognize before, that’s certainly OK with me.

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